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Title: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: hdice3 on May 22, 2005, 12:16:55 PM
the reason I'm doing this is because me and a friend have been arguing over who is the better pilot and ship
i personally believe it is Kira and Archangel without question
but i am curious to see what u think
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Grahf on May 22, 2005, 04:05:19 PM
If I had a choice of ships I would choose Minerva because its just sexy.  But when it comes to Firepower It lacks a little bit, AA has 2 positron cannons and we all know thats the boom stick.  Well other than that Shinn has alot to learn, So I guess I go with option one.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Undark on May 24, 2005, 07:13:02 AM
If terms of the 2 battleships, they are both pretty much even. Minerva is probably more technologically advance (ex faster, has better computerized system for aiming, maneveuring etc.) But as Grahf said, Minerva loses on the firepower department simply because of its single positron cannon. Also, I think that AA has been modified so that it is a bit more capable for atmospheric battles than Minerva.

As for the mobile suit part, if Shinn were to fight Kira alone, I doubt that Shinn can win. However, Minerva is designed with Impulse in mind. So Minerva and Impulse can probably work together better than AA and Freedom (Minerva + Impulse also has a bit more versatility).

Then there is also the other mobile suits that's on board the 2 battleship. But they are pretty much even ever since ORB renament joined AA (Minerva lost it's number advantage.)

Then there is the experience of the two ships. I think AA wins in this one, but they also have the no kill policy. So if the fight really happens, it would be really hard to determine who wins...

edit: I didn't vote btw...
Title: who is better..Kira or Shinn as a gundam pilot
Post by: hdice3 on May 24, 2005, 06:35:08 PM
i think its kira
he's more experinced and has a better gundam
Title: which is the better ship?
Post by: hdice3 on May 24, 2005, 06:36:56 PM
ARCHANGEL would win in a fight, 'cause every battle minerva is in they get damaged a lot
Title: Re: who is better..Kira or Shinn as a gundam pilot
Post by: Zantazuken on May 24, 2005, 07:11:34 PM
MAN SHIN IS GONNA SPANK KIRA INTO NUTHINGNESS
Title: Re: which is the better ship?
Post by: Zantazuken on May 24, 2005, 07:16:15 PM
Maybe If the EAF cared about the Archangel as much then it would get totaled to. If you havent noticed when ever the two ships are on the battle feild the EAF and ORB always attack Minerva and ignore the Archangel completely, not to mention when the Archangel comes into the picture it causes more problems and doesnt solve any.

 The crew lacks good sence and medels. If Kira wasnt such an ass the Heine and the orb captain would still be alive!

 I say Shin and Minerva all the way

 about that orb ranment joining the AA it realy doesnt matter consider that ORB soldiers always get pwned in every battle so they kinda just take up space.
 
 I'll agree that the minerva lacks firepower but it makes up in tactics plus they actually have a reason to fight unlike AA who just comes up to confuse the hell out off everyone
 
 If it were a one on match I'd say SHin would beat Kira for the soul reason that he came |------| that close to killing him in their last battle, if he had his sillouette fighter equiped he would have been in range to kill kira with that one swipe.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Kairu de Large on May 24, 2005, 09:11:03 PM
hdice3 I merged your 2 topics with this one, since they were the same as this one. I'm not going to scold you really but please look more carefully at the threads already made before creating your own.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Grahf on May 24, 2005, 09:17:58 PM
Zantazuken some things you say make sense and others don't.  I'll just leave it at that.

Anyway Kira will have to lose eventually he isn't a god but Shinn ain't nothing great either. He isn't a poorly developed "main charater".  I mean he is almost the same other "main characters" but he has yet to mature and that leads me to believe that he will die in the end.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Aoshi101 on May 25, 2005, 08:34:18 AM
The best one is Kira and the ArchAngel. Murrue Ramius knows more aobut commanding a ship than Talia Gladys and on top of that Kira is a better pilot than Shinn.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: theshonen on May 27, 2005, 09:24:12 PM
Kira and AA all the way. If Kira was useing normal Freedom he would kill em alot faster than Strike Freedom >.<
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 09, 2005, 07:07:22 PM
Quote
Kira is a better pilot than Shinn.

although i agree with Kira being a better pliot the fact is that 

[spoiler]
Shinn beats Kira
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: shinaku on June 09, 2005, 07:43:58 PM
Ok, I'll give my say on this, though I'm sure most of you already know which side I support.  Kira all the way.  Yes yes, we all know that Freedom will be destroyed, but non of the spoilers actually said how it was beaten, if it was even Shinn alone that beat him.  Plus, you all know that the only reason why they have Kira lose is to get out Strike Freedom $$$.  And WHEN THE HELL did Shinn came [-----] that close to beaten Kira?!  Up to this point, only Destroy has even touched Freedom.  Sure he almost nearly maybe would have been able to hit Freedom that one time, but guess what, he didn't cuz Kira dodged it.  Ok I'll you the point about confusion on the battle field, but more people probably would have died in those battle if AA didn't enter the fight.  And Heine, he died cuz he got careless and pretty much jumped right in front of Gaia as it was charging.  The Orb captain would have died anyway.  *takes a deep breath* ok, I'll end it here before I get more bias that I am.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Zantazuken on June 09, 2005, 08:36:53 PM
well how else would freedom get beat if shin doesn't do it think about the storyline theres nobody left to do the job thats why they made sure to kill of alot of people. About the whole not hitting kira thing u obviously missed my point about what i said though the hdice got it when i told him (the guy that started the forum)

 But in necase due to certain things turning up in the series me and hdice have called off our dispute about the whole thing......so i guess you guyz that wish to keep going can go on.........if thats what you want to do...yea

 Thanks for your input anyway
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Zantazuken on June 12, 2005, 12:08:14 PM
yea i was RIGHT what now......thats what i would say if i didn't feel so bad about being right...I mean i kno kira is coming back for strike freedom and all but still..it just doesn't feel right
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: shinaku on June 12, 2005, 07:30:20 PM
Well we all knew Freedom was going to get beat by Impulse.  That was obvious since the second intro.  What most of us was wondering was HOW Shinn was going to beat Kira.  And without going into anything, many would agree that it was, shall we say, "writers assistance".  Jais pointed out a lot of stuff when I talked to him, and I wished he would have posted them.  It wasn't really an even one on one duel.  I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: VeX on July 08, 2005, 05:39:45 AM
Wow, a poll that just pulled me in so much I had to register and join in the fun...

Regarding the Shin/Kira battle, I will say that Shin+Impulse  was tailor made to beat Kira on Freedom....   the remaining question is simply: how well/believable could he pull it off?

I say he pulled it off well.  His replacable parts replaced exactly what Kira targets and he made good use of what he had: Lots and lots of money <cough> er... spare parts.

With that said, I will STILL vote Kira/Archangel.  And I do this with subjective (and sometimes objective) points  believe me if you will but hear me out:

Assuming AA before Freedom gets blown up but after ORB forces join and Minerva before Saviour gets pwned.

MS compliment:
Freedom vs. Impulse - Nice as the Impulse is, Freedom wins.  Better overall suit.

Strike Rouge vs. Saviour - TIE.  They both practically did nothing.  Saviour may have more kills, but was Anakined.
Looking at its performance, Savior seems like an upgraded Murasame but little else. Given the history of Strike, I'm almost inclined to go for it, but I hold myself back.

Murasame Squad vs. Zaku Warriors - Murasame Squad.  I always preferred high mobility types.... that and they pwned the Chaos.

Base Stats:
Minerva seems a dedicated space craft, and seems to perform poorly in atmosphere.  Archangel is a base for any place.  That and I have never seen a mothership that has dodged more stuff than Archangel.  That and Minerva seems to have more damage on it more of the time.

Amenities:
Minerva has a battle bridge, Archangel has its own onsen.  Both have captain's phones (see Bright joke at my Hongfire thread as toldore/end shameless plug/) but Archangel's was just more stylish.
Winner by comfort: Archangel.

Personel (Minerva, Archangel):
Shin vs. Kira - Kira.  Simply more accomplishments and personality.
X vs. Neuman (Helmsman)- Neuman.  the god of dodging.
X vs. M (Mechanic) - M.  Notice how Archangel gets banged up, yet still keeps shiny?  just after Freedom blows up... its looking good again.  And how in SEED, AA goes down, 5 mins later it goes up again.
Meilin vs. Miliaria - Meilin.  Battle of the Bridge Bunnies!  Milly is cute, and scared the hell out of Deakka but Meilin was able to defend herself from ep 37 alone.
Luminaria vs. Cagalli - Luminaria, ALRIGHT ALRIGHT, I happen to like the Hawke sisters.
Rey vs. Andrew - Andrew.  He just has STYLE (I mean he has his own mug and emblem)
Gladys vs. Marrue - TIE.  Marrue has much BOUNCE. Gladys did gets some at around ep 2.
Mia? vs. Lacus - Lacus.  She got the team more advanced Mobile suits, sings well, and has the Eternal stashed somewhere.

Personel: Archangel.  it just has more personality (being more civvie oriented) than the military Minerva.

Overall: Kira/Archangel

Damn, I feel like I should import my thread at Hongfire to here.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: kirapwnsshinn on April 30, 2007, 06:39:09 PM
FUCKKKKK YOU Zantazuken!!!!

sorry i'm reviving a old topic but whatever...UR AN IDIOT Zantazuken!!!

Freedom is attacked by Shinn and his ZGMF-X56S Impulse, who has prepared for this battle. Taking advantage of Kira's unwillingness to kill and Impulse's ability to replace damaged parts on-the-fly, Shinn defeats Kira. When the Archangel is apparently destroyed by fire from the Minerva, the resulting explosion rips the Freedom apart. Kira survives in the damaged cockpit and is retrieved from the ocean by Cagalli in the MBF-02 Strike Rouge.

go to hell. Shinn is a lil naive idiot he's too full of himself.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: kirapwnsshinn on April 30, 2007, 06:39:50 PM
i jus joined this forum to post that up there...plz mod my curses...i was a bit enraged...
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Judau on May 10, 2007, 09:02:52 AM
i jus joined this forum to post that up there...plz mod my curses...i was a bit enraged...

Haha, mod yourself. I found your post quite amusing, personally. Besides it being an old thread, you got so angry at a person you've never even heard of on a board you've never even posted on before... And I don't feel like rereading the thread anyway, but if I remember right, this thread was while Destiny was airing in Japan, and some people for some odd reason, like Shinn more. :P

Just opinions, no need to rage over it.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Kairu de Large on May 12, 2007, 10:26:23 PM
i jus joined this forum to post that up there...plz mod my curses...i was a bit enraged...

Haha, mod yourself. I found your post quite amusing, personally. Besides it being an old thread, you got so angry at a person you've never even heard of on a board you've never even posted on before... And I don't feel like rereading the thread anyway, but if I remember right, this thread was while Destiny was airing in Japan, and some people for some odd reason, like Shinn more. :P

Just opinions, no need to rage over it.

I was going to post something similar to this in response, but I didn't feel like it was worth my time honestly lol. This thread was made during the time Destiny still had a bright future, we had no idea Shinn was going to turn out as bad as he did yet.
Title: Re: Kira/Archangel or Shinn/Minerva
Post by: Iriyamiyu on January 15, 2008, 05:08:41 AM
Kira and Arcangel ...they are really cool  >__<