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Title: Board Management Discussion
Post by: JaisBane on March 16, 2005, 09:01:45 AM
Alright, this is the thread where you can post any complaints, thoughts, suggestions, or any other sort of positive contribution on how this board should be run.  I want this to be a discussion based thread, so when you post please try to comment on what has been said before by adding your own unique contribution.  There should be no reitteration of what's been said before unless you have something to add to that arguments.  I will tolerate no flame, pwning, or any sort of negative/provacative post, they will be deleted the instant I see them. 

To start things off, I will post my response to the /Annex thread in here.  There are no personal attacks within that post, so please take the time to read it fully and contribute.  This is your chance speak on how you want things run, what you think doesn't work, and what new policies you would like to see implemented, so please make the most of it.

I would like to address the point that Ken made about Chuck choosing admins from people that he knows outside of the forums.  The only peope that are actively involved in the scanslation portion of Yanime are Motoko and I, and the only other person who is actively involved with IRC is Waya.  The rest came from the board like you guys and were approved for admin/mod status by the rest of the admins.  I will admit freely that I am an ass.  I have a large ego and I don't sugarcoat my words.  I am a very friendly person and so I rarely do anything that reflects genuine hostility.  Basically, I try to use the harsh method to get people to either stop and think or stfu and gtfo.  I do hope you realize that I am possibly the least power abusive mod here.  I don't lock topics, I don't edit people's posts, and I don't toss around my weight to get people to do as I want.  If I do any of those, it's because a serious infraction of the rules has occured or my own personal sense of ethics have been violated.  Before people start saying that the admins are abusive, I would like to see evidence of when we use our power for personal gain.

Now, to address the issue of strife in this forum.  There is this feeling that the people on here that come from IRC are better than the people that are only members of the boards, and this is mainly because IRC and the Staff have a much more intimate interaction with each other and closer relationships.  This is not right, but it's unavoidable.  We spend hours in the main and staff channels talking back and forth about anime, projects, life, what have you.  The IRC community is also much more playful and things like "pwning nubs" is seen as harmless and everyone participates in it.  If an op gets abusive, they get a good smack by one of the other ops and things fall back into place. 

Here there exists a division between the staff and forum members that we can call the cccnnn faction vs the angel faction.  While not everyone belongs to one of those, most of the incidents that arise here come from the angel faction doing something and the cccnnn faction pwning them and then the angel faction gets upset and a flame war starts.  When an admin intervenes, they get hasselled from one side for being too intrusive and from another for not acting sooner.  The truth is that there are many people on this forum that do stupid things (oft called nubs) and the act of pwning is meant to be a way of hazing those people for having a moment of idiocy.  If the person is truly a nub, the pwning will "ghost bust" them.  If they aren't, then they either have an epiphany and the idiocy is extinguished, or they use a reverse pwn and there is much laughter to be had. 

Here there is the unique situation where pwning neither extinguishes a nub nor corrects the idiocy.  The pwn is taken as a personal attack and the pwnee becomes viciously vociferous and very nearly violent about the incident (I hope you'll excuse my alliteration).  This becomes a very difficult situation to moderate because it is difficult to place the blame.  It is very easy to say that the pwner is at fault because they provoked the person, but the pwn itself is not flame and so it is possible to say that the pwnee is at fault for reacting to it improperly.  As a mod, I can't jump in and instantly lock any topic where this occurs in, nor can I start editing posts.  I can't edit the idiocy out of a post in order to prevent pwns, nor can I edit out a pwn just because someone might take it out of context, both users are well within their right to post those.    I can't control how users react to posts, to try to do so would be dictatorial.  What I can do is suggest that people lighten up and think about the reasons a person has for making a post before becoming upset.  Even if a post is malicious, if you ignore it then you stop the spread of flame and it makes it easier for a mod to deal with the person responsible.

As for admins "tearing up new users", either I'm completely blind and stupid, or you need to produce so evidence to back up your claim.  I have nothing against you personally, Kitsune, but it lends your post an element of credulity when you post examples as well.  I try to read as many posts here as I can, and at the moment I can't think of a single recent post where a new user was attacked.  Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 09:13:31 AM
Just something to add... if you have advice, that does NOT mean we need to use your advice. We will read over what you have said and if its decent, take it into consideration, but by no means will we follow blindly upon every piece of advice. This should be obvious, but I figure I better say it now rather than later.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 09:14:17 AM
To start things off yes I did read is post Judau. Sorry if I was acting like a noob, I am just stupid that way.

Okay I fully understand where you are coming from Jais and I think that these "factions" need to break up and start talking more to each other in nicer ways. It will make the board hella difficult to keep posting on if every single thread is about flmaing another person. I for one would love to stay on this board and continue to post.

Regarding IRC, I think maybe you guys should either promote more IRC usage (if you haven't already) or start talking more on here. Cause, I agree, when you get to know people very well it is very hard to get along with members that you never talk to. It is a growing issue that I think will end up dividing Yanime in the end if it continues.

The division between the staff and members is common among all forums. One of the major difference is because staff have stuff in common like discliplining members and what not so they have to talk to each which inturns leads to something like the IRC. When this happens it leaves the members in the dust which cause them to want them to avoid staff which in turns leads to division cause no one talks to each other.

If I don't make sense or if I just repeated something that Jais said let me know cause I have problems explaining so suggestions would be helpful if available.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 09:30:43 AM
Right, about the "faction" issue... I've been hoping to get the IRC and forum members to act more as one entity for a while, its just difficult. Reason being where the respective members come from, or how they join yanime in the first place.

Most members on IRC join strictly for the scanslation side to yanime, they know what's going on with the current manga and site news, and we have many older, experienced staff members contributing on IRC. Overall most people talking on IRC are older, thus the conversations might be a little different than on the boards. That's not to say there are not idiots on IRC as well, its just easier to dismiss them and keep discussing.

On the boards, people come from friends talking about it or most likely google... just kind of at random. And not to put everyone into a stereotype, most board members are usually younger and less internet-experienced. Therefore, when some of the older IRC guys come and join the boards and meet younger, unexperienced members, they clash.

I think the only way around this is to try and get more of a common bond between the two... more board members need to join IRC and find out more about what yanime does besides the message board. More IRC members need to join the boards and meet the people, in general, who have been on yanime longer, since it was nothing.

I've tried to advertise on IRC here and there to come to the boards, but overall I feel they don't like message boards, period. Many refused to even try... especially with the rap the board already has for being childish... although I think its been better as of late, for sure. And I think the board members all just don't know how to use IRC (on a whole), so they won't come. Plus, many might post at school, which kind of rules out IRC.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 09:41:05 AM
True I totally agree, I also take pride in being part of the 2% who is not under the age of 18.

I originally joined because a friend asked me to and at the time I was totally inexperienced when it came to forums and scanlations. Now I think that you guys need to like talk about the scanlations more to those who do not participate in IRC. Cause for the longest time I had no clue what scanlations were nor did I ever want to find out. You talk about scanlations on the homepage and what not about what just came out but just posting a link and stating that this is the next chapter doesn't really help. I also do not see anything about "what is a scanlation?" in the FAQ board. Just a suggestion maybe you should post that in the FAQ board for those new users who have never heard of it before.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 09:46:15 AM
Well I think most people who happen to get to yanime's main page probably are LOOKING for scanslations. Also, most of the specific Manga/Anime forums are now yanime scanslation boards, its just that few are probably visited by people who don't read them, so it just keeps these factions going. And no offense to the readers of the scanslations, but have you noticed some of the posts and threads in those forums? Many of them are terrible. They are just not "board type people"... they read the scanslations, which is great, but they cannot correctly post on a message board for their life.

But, maybe Motoko or CGoten can entertain they idea of further explaining the group, scanslations, whatever they feel needs explaining and put it on the main site somewhere to un-confuse people.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Ruri on March 16, 2005, 09:49:40 AM
True I totally agree, I also take pride in being part of the 2% who is not under the age of 18.

In my experience with forums...age doesn't really matter.  I think maturity plays a major part.  Someone can be young yet more mature than their age indicates.  Others can be older, however completely immature.

Their maturity, to an extent, affects the context of their post and how they're looked upon by others.

As for the board...I favor suggestions to get IRC and members on the board integrated.  It'd be nice to have more variety.  I suggest maybe posts should be moderated a bit more, but I think what admins and mods alike want is for members to post without admins/mods being so strict upon the content of their posts.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: JaisBane on March 16, 2005, 09:50:49 AM
That's actually a really good idea, Aoshi.  Most of the regular forums members are not involved with our scanslations so I doubt they ever check the main site.  I'll go put something like that in the FAQ boards right now.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on March 16, 2005, 10:24:07 AM
When I am not so busy, I'll ad on some stuff to the site about scanlations, and maybe link from the board.

I'll admit that some of the boards do seem kinda childish, but the forums are a different atmosphere. Of course, the IRC channel can be rather childish at times.

Part of the problem is that the boards and the channel have different purposes. I don't think it will be easy to bridge that without offending one or both sides.

I think there is room for both communities, and also for crossovers (like me), but perhaps we just need to work to make the boards better overall. That might get more crossovers than trying to change either place to fit a new direction.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waffo on March 16, 2005, 01:22:48 PM
Since we rarely ever get very mature members under the age of thirteen, why don't we ever enforce the rule of being thirteen or older to register?  Just wondering...
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on March 16, 2005, 01:43:08 PM
Since we rarely ever get very mature members under the age of thirteen, why don't we ever enforce the rule of being thirteen or older to register?  Just wondering...

It is quite easy to fake your age. (I personally choose I'm under 13 when installing the shockwave plugin so it doesn't require me to provide my info) It really won't stop anyone who really wants to join.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 02:04:47 PM
Then why was that rule made to begin with?
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on March 16, 2005, 02:39:14 PM
I don't remember seeing the rule. Care to point me to where it is listed?
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 02:42:42 PM
never mind I am getting confused now. *leaves*
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waffo on March 16, 2005, 02:47:18 PM
I saw it back when I registered to the boards, where you choose the I accept or not buttons.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on March 16, 2005, 02:50:45 PM
Ah, yeah. That is a federal law. If you are under 13, you are not supposed to provide your personal details (well, they aren't supposed to be asked for). That little thing is more a CYA from the makers of the board.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waya475 on March 16, 2005, 02:55:54 PM
I agree that maturity is a large part of it.  When one member claims that a terrorist wants to kill/rape her, it is REALLY hard to respect said person, especially when you have not seen a change in said maturity for a very long time.  I also must admit that although IRC does have its idiots, they are very easy to ignore.  

What some people seem to fail to understand is that Yanime is NOT just a message board.  I bet people like Angel/Kitsune don't even realize we are now one of the larger scanlation groups on the net.  We need a presentable forum.  I am simply following the example of some of the biggest scanlation groups (Mangascreener, Toriyamaworld, and SnoopyCool)  Their admins can be strict, but their sites still have tons of visitors and quality discussions.  That is what I want the Yanime boards to be.  I do most of the principal modding around here, while Motoko deals with all the actual forum workings.  I've been modding for well over a year now, for many minutes of every day, and I get sick of the constant stupidity.  Is it wrong to want to quash that?  I personally don't think so.

Also, on the topic of how people would complain that I was cruel....I think honest is closer to the truth.  I do NOT like hiding facts from people.  If I find you obnoxious, I tell you so.  If I think you are an idiot, I will post my feelings.  There is no point to hiding the truth.  If you let something like that REALLY get to you, and you get really upset, then you take the internet much too seriously.

As alot of the scanlation fans only post maybe 5 times on the boards total, I don't think they are a huge problem.  I manage to keep them under control most of the time anyway.  But in my opinion, the main problem is people who fail to realize what Yanime is now.  Maybe every member should be encouraged to explore the rest of the site.  I dunno, this horse has been beaten so much, as I have had to stand up for my actions A LOT.

That really didn't follow any pattern, so I hope people can understand my contentions.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 03:08:40 PM
I totally understand Waya but maybe some situations don't require the complete truth and that some just require you to help someone and leave it at that. Not yelling at them, not critising everything they say or do, cause believe it or not this place is always gonna have peeps who are sensitive and will take what people like you say too seriously. You got to keep that in mind when you talk to some people.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waffo on March 16, 2005, 03:14:23 PM
He has been trying to help, though.  He gave advice but no one took it.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 03:16:09 PM
lol I am not saying he hasn't I am saying that along with the advice he has been giving out he also included put downs with his post which in turn makes the person recieving it not really wanting to trust him or take his advice.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Ruri on March 16, 2005, 03:53:22 PM
That is not completely true.  Although I think in my opinion Waya does go over the line sometimes, I back many of his decisions.

Waya DOES give advice often.  And I KNOW I've given advice often but it was never taken.  It was ignored.  To tell the truth, it all seemed as if the advice was ignored and the posts that members felt were personal attacks were the only ones they read.  I try not to act so hastily however it does get frustrating after a while and in a way encourages us to not bother posting anything helpful since it will never be seen.

Like Judau said, sometimes members need a kick in the right direction.

Sorry for using angel as an example but enough people have bothered her with her spelling and grammer that it's gotten a little better over time.  A lot better than it used to be at least.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 16, 2005, 05:48:12 PM
Okay I see what you mean. I now fully understand.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Cabbit on March 16, 2005, 08:53:15 PM
I've always had the idea that people should respect each other to the best of their ability, even if one isn't particularly deserving.

I've also always had the idea that criticism and shoves in the right direction can be given without insult and still be constructive. Not everybody is capable of doing that.

I've always had the idea that being capable of that, however, should be prerequisite for administrating moderating a message board.


~edit. Noting Motoko's many contributions to this board that have nothing to do with dealing with members.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on March 16, 2005, 09:05:43 PM
~edit. Noting Motoko's many contributions to this board that have nothing to do with dealing with members.

I've done quite a bit of moderating. Check the Ichigo forum, where I usually try to keep the peace.

For the most part, in the sections I usually frequent, I've found that a nice request is usually followed. For things I consider important (not putting a spoiler tag in the thread topic), I've edited a post directly. I put a nice note in saying what I did if I have to do this.

I might do a lot of tech stuff on the boards, but I've dealt with members too. Feel free to criticise my behavior too. If you can make a compelling argument, I'm willing to listen.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: twilght girl on March 24, 2005, 09:09:10 PM
Can a complaint also be to bring a member back!? Waya's being mean, he's never gonna bring her back. I think thats unfair.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Ruri on March 24, 2005, 09:46:37 PM
Can a complaint also be to bring a member back!? Waya's being mean, he's never gonna bring her back. I think thats unfair.

Please state how Waya was mean and unfair.  Your one-sided arguement will not easily unban Angel back from being banned.  Back up your arguement and then it will be discussed.

If you have a problem, talk to another Admin/Mod about it.  If you really have a problem, IM me.  My away message is usually up, but leave a message.

Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on March 24, 2005, 09:55:41 PM
While a compalint can cause a ban to be removed, you need to show evidence that no rules were broken and that the admin acted unfairly in setting the ban.

If I recall, Angel has been a repeat offender, and has broken the rules a number of times. If you want her unbanned, you will need to show exactly how Waya is being mean, and acting unfairly. Just complaining with nothing to back up your accusations will not get you anywhere in here or in the real world.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 25, 2005, 05:18:04 PM
For my sake please post which rules Angel has broken. Because the last time I checked bad grammer and spelling wasn't a rule.

Oh and if Angel promises to behave do you think she could come back?
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waya475 on March 25, 2005, 05:24:44 PM
It isn't.  The spelling.  And GRAMMAR.  JESUS CHRIST.

No, she can never come back.  Allow me to check the rules and modify this post to show which ones she broke.

HERE WE GO!!!


Read the stickies in each area you plan to post in. They will cover rules specific to that forum.

Personal attacks in any manner are not allowed. This covers posts, sigs, and profile information.

Flaming is not allowed. Please take up issues with another member in a private manner. Threads full of flaming will be locked and/or deleted. Repeat offenses will be grounds for a ban.

Try to avoid going off-topic. Posts that have gone off-topic will be locked or split.

Please avoid posting more than one message in a row. You can modify your original post if you forgot to add something. Double/triple/etc posts will be merged and you will be warned.

If you have an issue with a specific staff member, please take the issue up privately with another staff member. Harassment either in or outside the forums can be grounds for a ban.

In general, forum staff (Administrators, Global Moderators, and Moderators) have the power to impose additional rules not listed here. These rules should be followed. If you are at issue with a rule they have imposed, please contact another staff member to handle the dispute.



She has broken every single one of those rules in her stay here.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 25, 2005, 05:54:39 PM
okay thank you
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on March 29, 2005, 11:54:59 AM
I know banning is never fun and all the years I have been with yanime I have found them alot more tolerant to offenses than other boards and it takes alot to ban you and if they do it is usually only for a few months so I know it is never fun but when it starts disrupting the enjoyment of others using the boards it becomes a problem I am not picking sides because I did not know angel but speaking impartialy and as a former globalmod it  is sometimes necesary.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Zellgadus on March 29, 2005, 12:09:45 PM
Hey Waya I'm not for Angel and anything, and some people might know that since in the thread where she complained that there was a psycho near her house I wasn't real nice to her. However I must say that most of the rules you posted are always overlooked by most members. As for example; Personal attacks in any manner are not allowed. This covers posts, sigs, and profile information.
A lot of people attacked angel personally calling her dumb and stupid. Furthermore, I think that Angel being Angel might have aided your decision concerning her banning from this forum. Personally I don't care if Angel comes back or not. I just wished that you understood you own actions as I understood mine concerning Angel. I know that she was a pain with all her off topicness and her difficulty to understand things, but I think that that was due to some real lack of maturity. You in your position as a Moderator (or anything else) should have used of your maturity and position as a help to her. Anyways I hope that you don't take anything that I wrote here too harsh or anything. I just think that I said what I had to say.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on March 29, 2005, 04:28:13 PM
like I said before they do overlook alot thats why angel must have really abused it to get banned because I know it takes alot to get banned here and anyway I dont think she will want to come back even if they let her
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waffo on March 29, 2005, 05:50:47 PM
I dont think she will want to come back even if they let her

You'd be surprised.  She seems to love Yanime even though many members don't feel the same about her.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 29, 2005, 06:17:54 PM
I agree with Waffo tho she might have a change of opinion now but I have no clue.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on March 30, 2005, 01:44:45 PM
hmmm well we should open a poll and see if there are enuff people who want her back but we need the backing of the mods and admins just an Idea mabey give her like a trial piriod and if she does good then let her back for good
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Ruri on March 30, 2005, 03:38:18 PM
Sorry Tenchisama but my vote is for no poll.

And Zellgadus.  Bans are exercised on those who are repeat offenders.  Whether they've broken one rule or multiple rules.

You have to keep in mind that even though most people did not act with much respect towards Angel, she didn't return much if any respect.  It's not a matter of her spelling or grammer.  Many did help her.  She turned our help down.  In a way, she was pretty ignorant with our advice and offers, which I think is rude in itself.  Don't ask for advice and then not even read it or consider it.

What aided her ban to this forums was the repeat breaking of multiple rules.  Not just the "personal attacks."
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Zellgadus on March 31, 2005, 05:17:44 AM
Don't worry Ruri I know that well enough. I was just pointing out some facts about Waya's own attitute towards maybe other users. Anyways, really I don't care if she comes back or not it's not my problem, lol.

And really open a poll weather or not we want angel back or not??? My poor Sanosuke.... that's just a waste of time...
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 31, 2005, 11:38:44 AM
my poor sanosuke?? are you talking to me....

Anyways......I know there was another problem wanted to address but for some reason I can't remember it.....it will come back eventually.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on April 01, 2005, 09:44:55 AM
ok. anyway I was thinking what is keeping angel from rejoining under a dif nick.
and dont give me any of that I blocked her IP I mean I am posting from one of the thousands of internet cafes in panama this one is right next to my house so what if she is back we just cant tell ;D
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: PastThe12thFret on May 31, 2005, 05:09:13 PM
ok. anyway I was thinking what is keeping angel from rejoining under a dif nick.
and dont give me any of that I blocked her IP I mean I am posting from one of the thousands of internet cafes in panama this one is right next to my house so what if she is back we just cant tell ;D

we'd definitely be able to tell, it wouldn't take long.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Cloud13m on June 27, 2005, 12:49:39 AM
I want to complain about you banning Angel. Please bring her back, her unintentional comedy skills are funnier than anything else anyone on this or any forum could possibly hope to obtain.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on June 27, 2005, 04:21:24 AM
lol unintencional comedy skills ... ;D
yeah I guess thats one way to put it
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on June 29, 2005, 01:17:26 PM
This is still going on?

Three months already and this shit is still going on?

Look, if we to to bother unbanning someone, all these requests have just made sure we will not do it anytime soon (if ever).

Why? Because people are trying to tell the admins what to do on a situation the admins have agreed to action on. That just makes the admins even more convinced of their decision and less likely to change their minds.

Now, can we just put this issue to rest? It will be best for both sides of the argument, and perhaps we can get on with life.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Cloud13m on June 29, 2005, 02:31:46 PM
I don't know why you take a forum so seriously, I'm just saying that we should bring angel back, maybe only let her post in the fan writings forum? >.>
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waffo on June 29, 2005, 04:51:23 PM
maybe only let her post in the fan writings forum? >.>

>_<  No! 
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: clash on July 18, 2005, 04:10:39 PM
I don't know why you take a forum so seriously, I'm just saying that we should bring angel back, maybe only let her post in the fan writings forum? >.>

i second that notion. this board has lost its fun without any ultra n00bs. hopefully someone else will come in and take their rightful seat next to the likes of Angel, David Spade Boy, and snocap, the greatest n00bs to ever grace these forums.
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Waffo on July 20, 2005, 07:35:40 AM
Nooooooo!  It's too stressful with her in Fan Writing!
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Chaos on August 20, 2005, 06:29:48 PM
While a compalint can cause a ban to be removed, you need to show evidence that no rules were broken and that the admin acted unfairly in setting the ban.

If I recall, Angel has been a repeat offender, and has broken the rules a number of times. If you want her unbanned, you will need to show exactly how Waya is being mean, and acting unfairly. Just complaining with nothing to back up your accusations will not get you anywhere in here or in the real world.

for once im agreeing with a admin. i have been banned twice. >_< but i deserved it for insulting others, and breaking well over 13 rules. >_<; but i have changed. who is this "angel"?
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on September 16, 2005, 12:18:35 PM
well if you like breaking rules you will love her ;D
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Chaos on September 27, 2005, 08:12:25 PM
 ???
 :-\
 :P

mabye... she has a lot of swears... in her sig slot...
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Tenchisama on October 03, 2005, 06:05:19 AM
naw im just kidding I dont know her either, I probabaly would like her if I made my opinion of her personality without thinking of all the bad things people say about her
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: ZeroRyoko1974 on January 05, 2007, 02:24:23 PM
management sucks, down with management ;D
Title: Re: Board Management Discussion
Post by: Motoko-chan on January 07, 2007, 12:02:45 AM
Please don't reply to such old topics.

Locking.