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Title: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on October 14, 2004, 08:29:50 AM
I'm having problems with the Gundam Seed Destiny. I download every Gundam Seed Destiny that's been subbed, it doesn't work... Do I need to like install something extra like a new version of Direct X or something etc...?
Anybody else have this problem too or fixed it?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Bishoujomae on October 14, 2004, 10:25:11 AM
ur video files might be xvid or acc3 (something like that) you will need more codecs for those files try downloading VLC player at www.videolan.org i think or just seach for it that player had pretty much all the codecs you need for any files
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Tenchido on October 14, 2004, 01:10:31 PM
Thanks it's working now, but is there a way to play it on windows media player? It's really laggy.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 14, 2004, 07:42:32 PM
Lagging in Anime videos is rather common, (if you mean the same thing I'm thinking of) if the sound gets ahead of the video try either pausing it for a few seconds or rewinding very slightly. Codecs for WMP are rare so you most likely can't watch it on there, I use DivX player because it can play most(if not all)formats and is very high quality.

I saw the first episode of Seed Destiny a few nights ago, too early to make opinions but it appears to be off to a good start. What happened to Shin Asuka is almost a copy of what happened to Kamile Vidan(why am I not surprised x_x) at the start of Z Gundam, but this was much more gruesome and I was very shocked by the gore they displayed. I'm really not too crazy about the mecha designs though, especially the stupid Zaku wannabes... >_< But here's hoping that it surpasses it's predecessor, bandai put all the money I give to your company to good use.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Tenchido on October 14, 2004, 08:17:28 PM
The lag is kinda like the lag from games where everything freezes for like .5 seconds and continues. I just updated my DivX but it still won't run it, only VLC works the best so far, except the lag.

I must agree on gruesomeness at the start... I think the new models are pretty much improved remakes of the old models of the Sword Calamity, Deep Forbidden, Raider and the Justice or Aegis Gundam. Well than again... this a sequel to Gundam Seed but oh well.

What part does Kira and Lacus play in the Destiny series?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 14, 2004, 08:59:47 PM
The lag is kinda like the lag from games where everything freezes for like .5 seconds and continues. I just updated my DivX but it still won't run it, only VLC works the best so far, except the lag.

I must agree on gruesomeness at the start... I think the new models are pretty much improved remakes of the old models of the Sword Calamity, Deep Forbidden, Raider and the Justice or Aegis Gundam. Well than again... this a sequel to Gundam Seed but oh well.

What part does Kira and Lacus play in the Destiny series?

Well it's too early to make any assumptions at all, and just because they were in the theme song doesn't mean they will appear in the series(as has been the case with past Gundam series). But it would be nice if they showed up at some point, because I'm curious where they went after the war.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Judau on October 14, 2004, 09:40:27 PM
Well, I just watched the first episode, and I have to say, I enjoyed myself. I really need to watch SEED again, since its been a while, but I surely remembered plenty to know what was going on. And indeed we called it correctly, definitely will be following a Zeta Gundam type plot. But damn did they kill his family off faster than Camille's... haha. Also, Camille was already part of the military, Shin joined BECAUSE his family got killed. Also, obvious certain changes with the MS. Besides the overwhelming amount of Zeon-esque suits, the Gundams all seem to have a little more Gundam Wing and 0083 style to them. Also the transformation scene was obviously reminisent of some kind of merging between the Bird mode of Wing Gundam and the transformation of ZZ Gundam, Along with a little RX-78-2. Very nice indeed. Of course, like Kyle said, we cannot judge to early, especially with a Gundam series, it will take a good number of episodes to get the hang of the new feeling, new characters, and new Gundams. Lets just hope its not great until the end, where they flop it or something. >_<

On a side note, I love that Asuran was wearing shades much like Char... they are really mixing up all of the different classic moments of UC, Wing, and X and merging them all together, which I find really cool when you can actually pinpoint where every design and thought came to being. I'll have fun watching Destiny. ^_^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 15, 2004, 10:45:28 AM
Speaking of Char, Chairman Gilbert Dullindal is the same voice as him(the talented Shuuichi Ikeda)and I haven't gotten used to hearing Char's voice coming out of a new character's mouth yet and it was quite weird.. ^^; But it is a nice treat bringing a classic voice back to Gundam, so it's a mixed blessing.

Another thing worth of mention, the fact that Shin is appointed the Gundam's pilot prior to the begginning of the series is a very nice change from the usual "lucky youth fatefully stumbles on a Gundam" scenario that has been used so much throughout Gundam history(MAHQ pointed this out).


(On a side note)I'm stickying this thread, so it will be the official Gundam Seed Destiny discussion thread to be used throughout it's airing in Japan. This could quite possibly(hopefully) make our little forum more active since we'll have a new episode to discuss every week.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Tenchido on October 15, 2004, 11:46:01 AM
Wow... didn't expect this to happen to this thread... I just posted it to see if anybody could be of help, but eh this is better and I would post something else about the series... but I haven't seen many Gundam series yet...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 15, 2004, 09:13:42 PM
heh, Well since this thread's topic changed into a discussion about the first episode, I just turned this into the sticky rather than create a whole new thread. So if anyone has something Seed Destiny related to post please try to post in here rather than make a new thread.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread
Post by: shinaku on October 16, 2004, 09:50:55 AM
Seeing the episode after waiting for so long, I got to say that I really liked it.  The Matrix style shoot out scene was a little over the top but it did looked cool.  Judging from the first series, the intro usually gives a clue to what will happen, so I'm sure Kira will have to fight Shin at some point or another.  I wouldn't be too surprised (though I hope that it doesn't happen) if Kira is killed during that battle, thus making Shin rethink his role while Athran, Cagali, and Lacuss deal with Kira's death...blah blah blah.  Just a thought even though I know that Freedom can beat the Impulse anyday day of the week :P  Though I don't remember any Gundam series which the (former) main character is killed except for Char's Counter Attack.  Anyway, about the mech design...I don't really like them as much.  Gaia was cool, but the Abyss...  The Zakus seems out of place in this series, especailly after the last series.  You would think they would mass produce something similar to the Astrays.  Still...can't wait to see the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 19, 2004, 04:32:32 AM
heh, It does make sense that Kira could die, theres a lot of speculation on other Gundam forums as well. While it would be sad, it'd be a great way for bandai to do something original(for a change). I actually like Gaia(might actually get the kit when something past the shitty LG is released), but not Abyss or Chaos all that much. And is it me...or do the Zaku Warriors make a growling sound(might have to see second episode).....o_o

Well I've just seen the second episode, and I must say I am really impressed. MAHQ even gave it a 4 out of 5 rating, it took Seed I think 20 episodes to ever even get a single 4 rating...here we are treated to one in the second episode! A sign of good things to come perhaps?(Heres hoping) I won't say anymore, don't want to spoil it. When more of you guys have seen it we can discuss more.

(Note:(off subject) It seems the spell check feature is gone, perhaps not enough people used it*looks at stupid posts...yep*so cgoten pulled the plug...BTW if this is old news feel free to flame, I only go to the Gundam forum so I have no clue what goes on around here)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread
Post by: shinaku on October 19, 2004, 07:57:09 AM
Yeah the second episdoe pretty much jumps you right into the action.  A fast start for Gundam series.  Oh, I might also have to retract the last comments about Impulse not being able to beat Freedom.  After seeing the new units in action, they're surprisingly strong for the first set in the series.  The upgrades (oh yes they'll be upgrades for sure) will probably be a little over the top like Wing Zero's Buster Riffle.  The Abyss and Chaos is still ugly to me, especially in their transformed state.  I'm really curious to see the rest now...good thing there's like 5 groups doing the subs.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 19, 2004, 07:11:43 PM
  I'm really curious to see the rest now...good thing there's like 5 groups doing the subs.

Let's just hope Seed Destiny isn't liscensed while it is airing in Japan, like Seed was. When that happened to Seed the fan subs were scarce for a while(most irritating I might add...). But judging by that Seed really didn't do what Bandai intended by putting it on CN, I doubt they will jump at the chance to liscense the sequel. Maybe istead of trying to appeal to a young target audience with AU series, they should just concentrate on wrapping up UC to please to more mature fans with pay checks(Well not like I care about domestic releases...I'm fine with bootlegs ^^;).

Anyway back on topic, as it would seem we are treated to yet another masked antagonist(Char must be turning over in his Sazabi pod). His name is Neo Lorrnoke, and while he resembles Rau Le Creuset he has the same seiyuu as Mu La Flaga. Now Rau Le Creuset was a clone of Mu La Flaga's father, so I'd imagine they have striking resemblences(never actually saw Rau's face). Is this man another clone or has Mu La Flaga somehow survived Char Aznable style? Hell, if Andrew Waltfeld can survive when his LaGOWE's cockpit clearly exploded(he originally wasn't intended to survive, so thats why it made little sense), then Mu could have somehow survived as well.

Also, the character Rey Za Burrel had a "newtype" reaction to Neo, it can also be noted that Rey looks like Rau(MAHQ seems to think so). What could this meen? And something to add, the character Stellar Loussier is a lot like Four Murasame with her strange reaction to the notion of death, another sign of Zeta influences?
 
This is all pretty good stuff, I'm really excited for the rest of the series.  :)

Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on October 20, 2004, 12:48:04 PM
Wow... Episode 02 was intense! Great fight scenes. Impulse really does seem much more powerful than Freedom. BTW what happened to Freedom anyway...?

I find having a "Chest Flyer, Leg Flyer, and Core Splendor" seperate for the Impulse Gundam kinda stupid... There's the chance of them being shot down and Shinn would be screwed.

Also, why does Athrun use the name Alex Denon as his? (other than the fact that he was previously in Zaft)

Say, what do you guys use to watch the Gundam Seed Destiny Episodes? I use VLC but it frigging lags like hell.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 20, 2004, 04:34:03 PM
Well first about Freedom.  It was nearly destroyed in the first series so I take it that it got repaired and Kira took it with him.  After all, it goes against the peace treaty to have it due to it's nuclear power.  Though it may be close, I still wanna say that Freedom can beat Impulse...just blast the thing while it's assembling.  I wonder though, if Kira is too survive in this series, what new model will he get?  Liberty Gundam...no wait Constitutional Gundam :P Next, Athrun uses the alias name mainly because he desserted Zaft.  I hope the masked guy doesn't turn out to be another clone.  I don't think it's Mu though...I mean even if he survived the explosion, he was in space...so unless he survived with the space suit on, I don't think it's him.  But then again Char did just that.

And about the licensed.  I don't think this will be licensed anytime soon.  Gundam Seed (along with most of the shows on toonami now) is somewhat flopping here in the US thanks to it's time schedule.  Then again I could be wrong.  Here's hoping we get a steady amount of Destiny till the end.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 20, 2004, 06:39:28 PM
First off, I am not going to get into the whole "who survived" and "who is a clone" deal yet, I'm sure there will be some good answers fairly soon... but I cannot say these characters all certainly have a resembalance. And while Steller is a Four type character, she falls completely short to the real thing. ;) It was pretty cool when she froze while in battle, however. Also, I'd like to say I really like the high amount of action thrown in with the pretty intense plot (for the beginning anyway), I think the mixture is quite good, lets hope they keep it up. I also really liked the second episode, quite entertaining. Oh, and about the Zaku "growling", I think its just movement, like it was a little more rugged than the Gundams and Jins, so it kinda made a funky sound when it was moved faster than it should be moved (there's Athrun for you).

Oh, and I agree, Impulse is fucking awesome.... not sure how it would hold up against Freedom, though.

I find having a "Chest Flyer, Leg Flyer, and Core Splendor" seperate for the Impulse Gundam kinda stupid... There's the chance of them being shot down and Shinn would be screwed.

Eh, that's just a tribute to 0079, ZZ, and 0083. Plus, its better than having to go and dock just to get a jet pack... I mean, you randomly need stuff when you are battling in different settings during a single battle. I think it makes complete sense to put that aspect in.

Say, what do you guys use to watch the Gundam Seed Destiny Episodes? I use VLC but it frigging lags like hell.

VLC is fine for me, chances are its not the player, but your computer. Make sure you have all of the normal codecs too... close everything else if you need to. I have been getting AonE's subs.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 28, 2004, 05:14:28 PM
Stupid earthquake...it had to be during the show didn't it!  So much for ep 3 this week. Anyway, I was reading a comment by someone of another forum saying something about a fake Lacuss.  I thought it was just a joke at first, but when I looked at the part he was talking about, it might have some valid.  In the intro where Athrun is next to "Lacus" with Cagalli and the other girl holding guns.  That "Lacus" looks different!  Her hair, face and even the yellow hair thing is different.  So I wonder, is just the drawing, or is that really a diiferent girl?  So I checked, and there is a rumor going around about a fake Lacus.  Another twist to the series.  I just hope they don't do it like some crazed girl stalking type story.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on October 28, 2004, 05:57:17 PM
personally i think kira would win in freedom againt shin's impulse.  Kira is a "seed" or whatever.  it seems like shin is a natural to me, so far at least (u never no).  Also i think the freedom and justice are the most superior mobile suits created so far in seed (especially w/ athrun and kira piloting).  i do think kira is going to fight against shin at some point, but i dont think they'll kill off kira.  I think a lot of ppl would be dissappointed if kira was killed.  I mean he is a pacifist after all, and caused shin's family to die unintentionally of course.  Another question what is the real spelling for athrun???
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on October 28, 2004, 08:06:26 PM
Another question what is the real spelling for athrun???

アズラン ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on October 29, 2004, 12:55:32 AM
so azuran huh (based on katakana).  i no the katakana and japanese spelling of it, but just curious on how it really is spelled not in nihongo, but in eigo.  in the anime it really sounds like asuran to me though.  hm... o well.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 29, 2004, 09:44:58 AM
Shin is a coordinator, but he was living in Orb.  And about the Seed, I don't think that holds valid anymore.  I mean in the end of Seed, everybody was going into seed mode...Kira, Athrun, Cagali, and even Lacus.  And about the suit superiority, the new models were designed (it seems) to incorporate the weapons from the last batch.  The Blast Impulse is pretty much Freedom, and the other suits seems to have the same fire power as Raider, Forbidden, and Calamity.  Though my pick is still Freedom.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 30, 2004, 12:26:39 PM
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And while Steller is a Four type character, she falls completely short to the real thing.   :)

You're right, I doubt any character will ever compare to Four, god rest her fictional soul. ;_;

I take back the Mu surviving thing, I remembered that you saw his helmet  (severed head?) amongst Strike's debris so unless bandai made up some absurd magic powers he's dead. I also agree with judau now, why speculate this early..just enjoy the show. ^^

I'm not angry about the interruption caused by the earthquake, since people died and others lost their homes it's not right to whine about a week delay in watching an episode of a television show.  >_>; With the 3rd episode airing tonight the fan sub is only a stone's throw away, I'm ecstatic.  :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on November 01, 2004, 12:08:11 PM
most of u probably know but ep3 was released today by Aone and Akingdom.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on November 01, 2004, 04:34:40 PM
yeah you're right, the earthquake did more damage to the people...just wasn't thinking at the time.  But at least ep 3 came out today.  It's moving the story along and showed Blast Impulse.  I'll let others watch it first before making comments. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on November 01, 2004, 07:20:36 PM
Yeah I saw it earlier, I won't say anything other than that I hate hearing the term "Zaku" used outside of a UC series. >_<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on November 03, 2004, 08:11:58 PM
I thought the episode was good, pretty much no actual action, but further introductions to some of the new characters (including the ship)... a much needed episode for a beginning of a series. The next episode will probably have some good space battles... good to look forward to. ^_^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on November 04, 2004, 04:57:10 AM
So far, despite some obvious borrowed ideas, this series is really looking to be very original. A main problem I noticed with the first series was that it relied too much on poorly done character development rather than moving the story along. Destiny seems to fix this problem, as IMO the story is flowing quite nicely so far.

A few things I liked were Shinn's line towards Cagalli's family, the strange regeneration chambers the Gundam pilots used, and I thought that the Chairman revealing "Alex Dino's" identity mixed with the ending theme beginning in the backround was a good way to end the episode(though maybe a little cliched).

Oh and I learned that in December, one Saturday they will air 2 episodes back to back. Perhaps it's a "Christmas gift" to the fans to make up for the week delay of the third episode. But it's also likely they are doing this so the series still ends the same day it was originally intended(that being late Sept.-early Oct. next year), rather than end one week late, as I'm sure another series will want that time slot. Well w/e the reason...it sure is a nice treat. ^^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on November 07, 2004, 07:30:23 PM
Ep 4 was good.  A lot of action.  And about the Zaku growling...I think they actually do!  At least the Phantom Zaku anyway.  Without giving anything away, are they planning to do what I think they're planning to do at the end?  How many times has that happened in a gundam series?  Also I was thinking, based on the previous series, that anything that is hinted in the intro will probably happen by ep 13.  Since they change the intro every 13 episodes, and the hints in the intros happens before then, I'm just guessing that all the characters will make an appearence by then.  Yzak and Dearka will appear soon and I'm guessing Savior Gundam will be shown soon.  That just leaves the fake Lacus and the return of Freedom Gundam (oh and Kira too I guess :P)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on November 08, 2004, 05:14:09 PM
I downloaded it today, I'll watch it later tonight however. Well whatever that Zaku's are doing, it's pretty cool. But don't forget that theme songs aren't always relevant to the way the series will turn out. Amuro appears in the ZZ theme but I know that he never appears once the entire series. And originally in the eye catcher for Seed, it showed Arthrun and Lacus but they later replaced Arthrun with Kira. There are more examples, but those are just a few.

But you are right, most of those characters will most likely appear by then, and I can't wait to see the Saviour Gundam with Arthrun piloting again. ^^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on November 09, 2004, 11:25:06 PM
Indeed, the future of this series is looking great. :) I just watched episode 4... some really awesome space fighting in this episode. Rey is awesome, complete Newtype rip off, but that's why he is so awesome. ^^;; I'm really starting to like his white Zaku a lot. Yup... guess that's it for now. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on November 12, 2004, 08:54:53 PM
Indeed, the future of this series is looking great. :) I just watched episode 4... some really awesome space fighting in this episode. Rey is awesome, complete Newtype rip off, but that's why he is so awesome. ^^;; I'm really starting to like his white Zaku a lot. Yup... guess that's it for now. :)

Agreed. Rey is one of my favorite characters, especially after the superb fighting skills he exhibited in this episode. All in all it was a great episode, and it's good to see that Arthrun will be joining the action soon. That's all I have to say really, but only a few more days until episode 5. ^^;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on November 15, 2004, 12:46:33 PM
just saw ep 5, and man i'm starting to dislike shin even more now, all he is, is me me me.  Look at what happened to me. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on November 15, 2004, 05:23:41 PM
looks like they're doing the whole "crash the giant object from space to avenge everyone" again.  As for Shin, it's typical for a character like that to be about himself, besides he did loose his family in one fell swoop...that will cause emotional scars for any character.  As for this episode, I thought I would get to see Savior if not for a little bit, but I guess it's too soon.  Though I did thought it was funny that there is already a scene in this episode that would never make it to air on US tv. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on November 18, 2004, 06:56:16 PM
As for Shin, it's typical for a character like that to be about himself, besides he did loose his family in one fell swoop...that will cause emotional scars for any character.
Who's blast was it that killed Shin's family? Freedom's or Calamity's?

As for this episode, I thought I would get to see Savior if not for a little bit, but I guess it's too soon.
I was so hopeing to see Arthrun in action with Savior... but eh... he's still gonna fight.
You can tell episode 6 is gonna be great!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on November 19, 2004, 02:20:35 AM
Eh, I don't dislike Shin at all, if anything, he is even less self-centered than Amuro and Judau this early. And I liked both of them... he'll probably learn fairly soon that Cagalli is not at fault and she is going through almost exactly what he is. I have a feeling he'll be a damn good character as things progress... and I can't wait to see Asuran in battle again, 6 is going to rock. With Isaac too... awesomeness.

And yeah, the whole "drop big thing on to earth" is cliche for Gundam, but Gundam is not the same without it. If they did not do that, it would fall poor in comparison to the situations of past series... and it would not fit the base plot needed to be a good Gundam series. The moments before something drops, or right after if accomplished are often the most emotional parts of Gundam series... although I doubt this one will be a huge deal if they stop it. If it falls though... it shall be interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on November 19, 2004, 03:51:59 AM
Since it's still only the beginning of the series, they might make it intresting by making it so the piolits destroy most of the "giant object" and let a bit crash on Earth.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on November 19, 2004, 05:48:44 AM
Since it's still only the beginning of the series, they might make it intresting by making it so the piolits destroy most of the "giant object" and let a bit crash on Earth.

Yeah, I would not doubt it, its happened plenty before. Still enough to cause some destruction, but nothing that will wipe out the planet...

I'm more interested in this 3rd force conducting the operation, it shall get interesting. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on November 21, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
episode 6 is awsome.  lots of action.  you know who is back, and it looks like the fun is about to start.  can't wait till next week.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on November 23, 2004, 02:29:18 PM
The reappearance of Kira Yamato! Awsome episode. It looks like Arthrun still hasn't lost his touch with a mobile suit.

What will happen in episode 7? It looks like the destruction of the earth! dun dun dunnnn!!! Will Kira Yamato once again pilot Gundam Freedom?! Find out next time on Gundam Seed Destiny!!!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: AngelBrat on November 24, 2004, 06:18:09 PM
ey, anyone know were can i get a http download for GS destiny???
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on November 24, 2004, 08:10:41 PM
I don't think there is one... but don't take my word for it since I'm not sure...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on December 06, 2004, 01:57:53 PM
Ep 8 was good.  So much tension.  The ending scene was awsome...a perfect foreshadow of what's to come.  Just one thing that bugged me, did Bartfield have two arms?  Artificial I'm hoping or else they messed up and forgot about it.  I was hoping they would reveal a little more on the fake Lacus, but I guess it's coming up.  So only two things are missing from what was shown in the intro, Milly and Savior Gundam...oh and Freedom but we know it's there somewhere.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on December 07, 2004, 04:29:14 AM
Well... in my opinion it was am okay for an episode without any action... and Bartfield had 2 arms until he lost 1 in the battle aginst Strike and Kira.

The way Shin look at ending... does that mean he maybe knows about Kira, Freedom and how he killed Shin's family?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on December 07, 2004, 08:09:35 AM
No, what I meant was Bartfield had two arms in ep 8 instead of one.  And I thought that Shin might have known about Kira, then again he was standing at the site where he lost his family so that might explain the look he had too.  Is it just me or did they made Kira into this Cloud-esque character?  He's quiet and wears all black...typical hero with a sad past look.  I rather like his new character so far.  (I got tired of him crying all the time) 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on December 09, 2004, 01:20:20 PM
Oh... I didn't notice Bartfield's 2 arms, I only saw one, unless what you saw was his sleeve.

Well Kira and Arthun did get older so they matured and yeah his new personality seems better than his old self. One of the things I hated about Gundam Seed was Kira's crying...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on December 09, 2004, 01:53:41 PM
Besides Kira and Lacus being in the opening and Seed being in the title is there any other relation between Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny???
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on December 09, 2004, 03:03:03 PM
Yes Seed Destiny has links to Seed (that's why it's called a sequel).  It starts two years after Seed as tension between the two sides starts again.  The returning characters (most of the main characters from Seed...Kira, Athrun, Yzak, Dearka, Cagali, Lacus, etc) have new issues they have to deal with.  Shin being the one that the story mainly revolves around.  This is a vague description, but the simple answer is yes it has relations to Gundam Seed.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on December 14, 2004, 01:03:25 PM
Oooooo :o It really does look like Bartfield got his arm back in episode 9 and things are starting to get serious. And so we meet "Lacus" 2 in this episode. Not the Lacus with Kira, but the other one. She almost look exactly like Lacus, she sounds like Lacus, she has a look-alike Haro and she even goes by Lacus... What does this all mean? Is she a clone or a fraud?

They're already using Nuclear Missles to destroy PLANT but PLANT has a secret powerful weapon that can only be used once and counters the attack.

Oh and uhhh... dang... I can't remember her name... it starts with "M" short blondish hair, used to help operate Archangel is back. Now as a photographer.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on December 14, 2004, 07:37:55 PM
Milliaria, and with a little luck we'll get to see Savior next episode.  I must say, I'm absolutely loving Destiny.  Not only are the characters more mature this time around, shinn may be a bit angsty but at least he isn't a crybaby, and the heavy focus on politics is just to my liking.  The feel is more like a Robert Ludlum novel, where as GitS 2nd GiG feels like Tom Clancy + Henry David Thoreau, which is not a good combination.  As for the fake Lacus, her hair is a bit darker, her face is positively demonic, her outfit is atrocious, and her voice is simply disturbing.  In other words, pure unbridled evil.  Also, am I the only one that was reminded of Austria's ultimatum to Serbia in 1914 which precluded WWI when the Alliance was reading off their list of demands to Plant?  Not only do the creators know their Greek mythology and their Philosophers (that's where the names for the Zaft ships came from) they also know their military history.  I have but one word left: Bully!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on December 14, 2004, 08:50:16 PM
Yes the other Lacus is kinda creepy.  I don't think she is a clone though, probably just an imposter put there to rally the people.  This is just speculations from the intro.  She looks quite different from the real Lacus there.  There is a good chance that Savior will show up next time.  In the preview, there was a quick shot of a gundam that looked like it.  I'm still wondering how strong the next batch of mobile suits are going to be.  The current ones, even the Gunner Zaku, seems to have equal power as Freedom.  The Astray Blue Second L seems to have been massed produced too (Dagger L I think it was called).  Oh well, I guess I'll just have to expand the wall area for my Gundam models...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on December 17, 2004, 08:32:07 PM
what the hell is the Savior?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on December 17, 2004, 10:05:53 PM
That's Athrun's new gundam since Justice got destroyed in the battle at Yakin Due.  He hasn't actually gotten it yet in the series, but it was part of the official information release which included suits, character names, and general backstory for the events between Seed and Destiny.  From what I've seen of it, it looks pretty bad ass.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on December 18, 2004, 09:46:40 AM
That's Athrun's new gundam since Justice got destroyed in the battle at Yakin Due.  He hasn't actually gotten it yet in the series, but it was part of the official information release which included suits, character names, and general backstory for the events between Seed and Destiny.  From what I've seen of it, it looks pretty bad ass.

nerd.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on December 21, 2004, 12:48:28 PM
That's Athrun's new gundam since Justice got destroyed in the battle at Yakin Due.  He hasn't actually gotten it yet in the series, but it was part of the official information release which included suits, character names, and general backstory for the events between Seed and Destiny.  From what I've seen of it, it looks pretty bad ass.
nerd.
All this was like the most basic infomation released.

And so we see ZGMF-X23S Gundam Savior along with the imposter Lacus Clyne A.K.A Mia Campbell.

Another episode with no action. On the other hand it was kinda intresting and went by quickly. I believe the next episode is where the fighting will continue. I hope Kira pilots the Freedom soon and joins in the raging war.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on December 25, 2004, 08:17:10 AM
Well from what I have read, the next two episode (1 hour special) will have the orb battle which will show many new earth models, and the the third epidsode will be the return of Freedom.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on December 25, 2004, 04:07:54 PM
Well from what I have read, the next two episode (1 hour special) will have the orb battle which will show many new earth models, and the the third epidsode will be the return of Freedom.

Finally a huge battle is coming. Oh did you say Freedom? Awsome!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on December 27, 2004, 04:58:30 PM
Yes ep 11 was okay...just a set up for the battle, but 12 was good.  New mobile suits and armor.  It reminded me of the last series when Freedom came during the Orb battle.  Very cool.  Shin kicked some ass in this episode!  And the next episode is titled the Resurected Wing which is the return of Freedom!  This is just a guess, but I think Freedom has been upgraded too.  I'm just basing it on the 1/100 model of Freedom "Destiny Version". 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on December 28, 2004, 02:00:49 PM
Shinn's a seed! Cool! He kinda went berserk at the end of 12... but all is well.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on December 29, 2004, 02:18:13 PM
shinn needs to die.  and it's so cheesy for him to have the seed as well.  i hope kira gives it to him hard when them two duke it out.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on January 03, 2005, 10:13:51 AM
Where are u guys watching Destiny. Is it on Demand or something???
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 03, 2005, 10:33:34 AM
I guess you could say that we are watching it "on demand," as in whenever we feel like it...but instead I'll tell you directly that we are watching the fansubs of it.  I'm sure you wouldn't have too much trouble finding it if you bothered to actually look instead of ask pointless questions.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 03, 2005, 08:06:59 PM
Well, I finally caught up today by watching the last 7 episodes... I love it. I can't wait till the Freedom and Savior get some more air time in 13. I really don't mind the loss of action in a few of the past eps, the political side of the plot is just as good when so many of the characters are so familiar... they just keep popping out of nowhere.

And of course Shinn has the SEED, I figured that right off the bat, you cannot be the main character of a series and not have the ability that the past main characters did. You would know this if you watched Zeta and ZZ.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 10, 2005, 01:39:14 PM
Freedom's entrance in ep 13 was awsome.  The shot angle, the music...just cool.  This episode also answered one of my question...Waldfield's left arm.  I think this might be a first in Gundam's history for a character to have mechanical limbs...not sure on that one.  I'm sure people can already guess about the Chairman, fake Lacus, and the real Lacus.  Though I wised they would have shown the Savior in this episode.  Oh well, I guess that leaves something for the next.  I want to see the new intro too.

And of course Shin would be a seed!  Why wouldn't he be!?  I just want to see him and Kira fight.  Soon I hope.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: AniMangaBaka on January 10, 2005, 08:15:16 PM
 >:( *HUGE SPOILER!*






According to some of my fellow Seed fanatics, we deduced that anybody that is a main character, fights at least once, and has ability is able to have the 'Seed', much to my dismay. I strongly detest Shinn..i wish he would just die, and hopefully he does when he fights Kira, as the beginning intro 'Ignite' suggests they fight. Also people with 'Seed' don't nessiscariely (O.O horrible spelling) have to be coordinaters, such as in Shinn and Cagali's case. I EXTREMELY DETEST SHINN, A. He dwells on the past. B.He is a complete and utter brat. C. He needs to learn his place. D. He is wayy to arrogant. E. He is a complete and utter brat  :-\.... Also Freedom, despite the officer's reference as Shinn being stronger than Freedom. Impulse(Shinn) is obviously not stronger than Freedom(Kira). First of all Impulse is constantly killing every which way, and seems to be doing a horrible job at it. So far the only semi-impressive thing Impulse has done was to destroyed those carriers and ships. Also Impulse seems like a mere rebuilt Strike, which is in no comparasion to Freedom. Also When Kira/Freedom fight they are constantly holding back, in order to have the least amount of casualties, and therefore if they didn't care so much about casualties may be sufficiently stronger. Also Freedom has more advantage compared to the Impulse. At the beginning of a battle, Freedom could easily destroy the impulse during the lag time which occurs when Impulse is putting the 'Gundam' together. Also Freedom is more of a long-range mobile suit, and due to the multiple cannons/machine guns would be able to destroy or seriously harm the Impulse before the Impulse could actually do anything. Also the Pilot needs to be taken into account. Shinn is a young brat, who is unable to control his emotions, and is disrespectful of authority. Kira on the other hand seems to be a more calm and mature type, and isn't disrespectful of authority. If you are unable to control your emotions in a serious battle, you'll be at a huge disadvantage.._________________________________________________________...now not talking about Shinn or Kira, let's talk about the Zaft development. Personally Athrun is gonna kick so much @$$ it's not even funny. Chairman Dullindal is a genius, although his thoughts may not all be correct. Chairman Dullindal allows Athrun to have a 'Faith' pin, which will give him much authority when down to security. Also since Chairman Dullindal isn't actually commanding Athrun, Athrun as a more tempered Kira, will able to do things of his own will. Equipped with a new gundam, Athrun may be very cruicial in this new series, almost as crucial as Kira in season 1. Chairman Dullindal's bad ideas was to have somebody take on the identiity of Lacus Clyne(O.O). Personally this identity theft has pissed off Athrun, and if Kira sees it he may become berserk. Also it is quite obvious the two are different, and if the population becomes aware they may become distrustful of the government.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 11, 2005, 09:36:14 AM
I don't disagree with you, but I do want to point out some stuff.  First, I'm sure Shin isn't going to die.  If anybody, it might be Kira for the sake of the story (though I hope that he won't).  Still I don't remember a Gundam series ever loosing main characters...well cept for CCA...but everybody died in that movie.  Now about Shin.  He's not really a brat...he's just an ass when he talks to Cagali since he doesn't like Orb...plus he's only 16.  And you would be dwelling in the past too if you saw pieces of your entire family burnt from an explosion!  Now about Freedom vs Impulse.  Yes I do think Freedom is better (it has an almost limitless power source!) but we can't disregard Impulse's power either.  Impulse is pretty much a watered down Freedom in Strike's form, but it is still quite stronger than the current mass produce mobile suits.  Blast Impulse actually has the same weapon as Freedom.  Most of the new mobile suits have similar weapons now, Abyss being a good example.  I still don't know why they didn't make a mobile suit more like Freedom though.  Also don't forget that Shin is still new at this.  Kira had hard time fighting in the start of Seed also.  Plus Shin just now discover Seed mode.  Ok, one last point...I'm pretty sure that Chairman Dullindal is a bad guy.  The "quite peace loving politician" is always the bad guy.  Plus fake Lacus, then trying to have the real Lacus killed...kinda points the finger to one person.  I could be wrong and it might be a big plot twist, but for now I'm sticking to this.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 11, 2005, 11:05:39 AM
Well, at the end of Zeta they turn Camille into a braindead vegetable, which is basically the same as killing him.  Also, Shinn has a little sister fetish, which you know is going to lead to bad places in the end.  And I definately about Dullindal being a bad guy, that would be such an awesome plot twist.  Also, the biggest difference between Freedom and Impulse would be Freedom is nuclear powered.  So even if they are evenly matched in power, Freedom can go longer while Impulse is a sitting duck when recieving the energy particle beam thingy.  Also, what was up with Kira firing upside down this ep?  That was just silly.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on January 11, 2005, 11:09:07 AM
Bear with me here cause I have been just reading what you guys said. Is impluse not a model like the Freedom. Is impluse an updated version like better or is it like the Strike's capabilities? And does it use the same like engine like the Strike?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: AniMangaBaka on January 11, 2005, 06:18:02 PM
Aoshi...the impulse is basically a revamped and suped up version of the strike, same color scheme, the weapons like the strike are detachable, but the weapons are semi-different

Shinaku....
Shinn is still a brat, implus it wasn't Orbs fault. it was Earths fault...also...yes i would be dwelling on the past, but i definately would not even try to pilot a mobile suit in that state...i'd be better off in a mental hospital :D, Kira really didn't have a hard time fighting in the beginning of seed, merely he didn't feel like belonging to a government in the war. About Dullindal i completely agree.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on January 12, 2005, 04:00:01 PM
Man... with all this talk about episode 13, Freedom, and impulse, I assumed that they were going to fight already... But they didn't... I still loved the ending to it though. Those are the kind of Gundam fight scenes I like, with awsome maneuvering.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: AniMangaBaka on January 13, 2005, 12:33:27 PM
Totally Tenchido
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 16, 2005, 09:25:04 PM
Well I just saw ep 14 (yeah they labeled me a "gundam-tard"...well it's true!).  If anything that stands out the most in the ep is the new openning.  Judging from that, people might be right about Mu being alive (or clone or something of that sort).  And the part that got me excited the most was the peek at Shin's new mobile suit..."Freedom v2" as I'll call it till the name is given.  You know I'll buy that model as soon as it comes out :P But damn that looks like it would be a hell of a battle.  Also somethings I noticed a while back...1. They have been showing Kira's mom...what happened to his dad...(Yes his dad or maybe foster father was there when they were in Orb during Seed)  2.  Kira and Lacus were sleeping in different rooms...hmm after all this time...still?  Man I hope Impulse gets replaced soon...I want to see the new suit!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on January 16, 2005, 09:51:31 PM
shinaku, it'd be pretty hard for lacus and kira to sleep in the same bed with the kids and do "stuff" >.>

But if you pay attention the new ED, you would realize that the way it is set up, it still hints at Kira and Lacus being the central figures of GSD.  I'm a Shinn-hater as well.  Btw, I love Bartfield's new gundam (in the new OP).  But yah, one possible final confrontation would be Archangel (and Co.) vs Minnerva (and Co.).  Dullindal is definately a bad guy.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 17, 2005, 12:02:46 PM
Man was this one crazy episode.  Not only is there a new op and ed, they actually have new animation!  Also...they turned the Archangel into a freakin submarine!  That was a bit unexpected.  Also, I was getting tired of Cagalli's submissive "I must follow the will of Yuuna, I mean, the people" attitude.  I'm damn glad that Yuuna broke down in tears at the end of the episode, more shows need to do that to villians.  Still, what's up with the new transforming Astrays?  It's like half the Mobile Suits in this series can turn into planes...But yeah, it was kickass to see Lacus in her Battle Kimono again, I just hope we don't have to see another angsty Kira vs Athrun battle in the future, that shit should be saved for Kira vs Shinn while Athrun takes on Raye.  And yeah, that is kickass that Waldefelt get's a new Mobile Suit.  It reminds me of Quattro's Hyaku Shiki from Zeta.  It will be good to see Cagalli back in the Strike Rouge, I want to see her take on Lunamaria Hawke.  That just leaves that unidentified Orange Haired red coat with his Orange Zaku to take on Waldefelt.  I think they way that they drop clues to make you speculate is one of the things that makes this show so engaging, even if parts of the episodes can be disappointing.  Still, this is my favorite show of the season, just barely edging out Mai Hime.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on January 17, 2005, 06:01:50 PM
I'm damn glad that Yuuna broke down in tears at the end of the episode, more shows need to do that to villians. Still, what's up with the new transforming Astrays? It's like half the Mobile Suits in this series can turn into planes...

Yuna didn't exactly break into tears, but rather into an annoying weird cry...
I guess the transforming into aerial mobile suits would allow them to travel the fastest considering it works on earth and in space.

I really wanna see what Shinaku calls "Freedom v2" who Shinn would probably pilot, duke it out with Kira and "Freedom"

From what I've seen in the recent episodes, the battles will be much more fierce and way better than they were in Gundam Seed and at the start of Gundam Seed Destiny.

I also like the new ending theme. What's it called? I already know "Pride" is the intro theme.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 17, 2005, 10:33:23 PM
"Life Goes On" is the name and the artist's name is Asaka Mika, or something like that.  Asaka could be Yuuhan, or Yuusaka, or Yuuban, I'm not really sure because I'm not very good at reading names without furigana...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cybero on January 18, 2005, 02:31:47 PM
hey im new here i was just wondering where all you guys are watching SEED DESTINY?? u cant be all living in japan?(mighty good english) sry if this is a noob question...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on January 18, 2005, 02:33:07 PM
I am starting to do it on BitTorrent if you know what that is. Read my thread called Bit torrent Gundamn/BitTorrent Probs to find out more
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: AniMangaBaka on January 18, 2005, 05:31:09 PM
Let us have a play on words using gundam seed  :P.
Shinn                                                         =Punk
Impulse                                                      =Junk
My room(nothing to do with seed..but still)=Junky
Dullindal                                                      =Munky
Cagalii                                                         =Funky
Kira + Lacus                                                =F ;)
Athrun                                                         =Lucky
Shinn                                                           =Sucky
Yuna                                                            =Sucks
anyone wanna add on  ;)
 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 19, 2005, 06:17:35 AM
First of all, I notice some of you need to learn about paragraphs. Second of all, there is no way I am even going to try and quote what everyone already said and reply to what I thought about certain issues. I just watched 13 and 14, and the obvious came to mind. Freedom was fantastic as usual, the transforming Astrays were a great tribute to Zeta, Waltfield's new Gundam does indeed resemble the legendary Hyaku Shiki, and I loved seeing Yuna break down.

Now as for Shinn, I can't believe you all hate him so much. He is not a whiny little brat like most Gundam stars have been in the past. I think he is a breath of fresh air. And quite frankly, I did not like Kira in SEED, although he's much better in Destiny. He seems more mature, and that does a lot for his character. Shinn had a pretty damn rough life thus far, so you can easily say he is "allowed" to be pissed at anything ORB related. And if you skip that fact and just say "he's annoying anyway", then I will tell you to go watch 0079 again and try to say it (Given that I like Amuro anyway). Or better yet, Quess... anyone? He's no typical military soldier, but I would not call him a brat, just angry at the people who "killed" his whole friggin' family.

And I would also like to see Shinn's new Gundam, although I think it will be a good 5 episodes away (or a lot more), they have not really used Impulse enough yet to junk it. Although they could always give it to some one else on the ship and get Shinn a new Gundam, a la Zeta Gundam.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 19, 2005, 09:45:08 AM
Yeah, there'll probably some big Zaft/Feddie/Archangel battle around Carpentaria and Impulse will get junked there.  At least, that's what I think.  My only problem with Shinn is that he's angsty all the time, he never has any cool moments.  I never liked Amuro in MSG, I was hoping the entire time that Char would kill his punk ass, but I was denied.  Maybe we'll get some redemption here and Shinn will be written off in a horribly cruel and tragic Camille-like fashion.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 19, 2005, 11:50:02 AM
Yeah, there'll probably some big Zaft/Feddie/Archangel battle around Carpentaria and Impulse will get junked there.  At least, that's what I think.  My only problem with Shinn is that he's angsty all the time, he never has any cool moments.  I never liked Amuro in MSG, I was hoping the entire time that Char would kill his punk ass, but I was denied.  Maybe we'll get some redemption here and Shinn will be written off in a horribly cruel and tragic Camille-like fashion.

Well he was originally protrayed much like a Camille, he still is in some ways. So I would not doubt that that could happen. Also, from the opening, it seems there might be something going on between Shinn and Loussier Stella, much like Camille and Four (as we said back when we first met Stella).

Anyway, maybe I can just handle it easier, but I don't think Shinn is that bad (and Camille definitely was not). I had no problem watching Amuro, and Shinn is not as bad (I would think people would agree). At least he is not Shinji Ikari.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 19, 2005, 04:42:49 PM
Yes now that I'm watching Zeta, I'd say that there are some similarities between Zeta and SDestiny.  I personally don't like Camille that much.  His personality is annoying to me.  And I agree that, so far, Shinn is better than Kira from Seed.  I think Kira cried more than any other gundam pilot combined.  But that doesn't mean that I don't like Kira.  He better live.  If it was Shinji...oh god kill him now!  As for Shinn's new suit, I don't think it'll appear till like ep 25+.  The Impulse won't be replaced this early into the show.  They still haven't shown the Blast and Sword that much.  After all, they have to market the Impulse for all those people collecting the models (me!).  I'm just curious how they are going to do the Mu factor.  Also "Freedom v2" vs Freedom...that should be a hell of a battle.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 19, 2005, 06:16:08 PM
After all, they have to market the Impulse for all those people collecting the models (me!).

Heh, but who wastes there time on the small fry models? I rarely buy anything less than MG now... <<

And I like Camille. :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 20, 2005, 12:05:09 AM
And I like Camille. :P

Me too
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 20, 2005, 10:12:26 AM
Well unless they start making MG of all the gundams...I have to buy the 1/100s too.  Freedom and Wing Zero Custom MG are still two of my favorites.  I actually prefer the MG to the PG, but my PG Strike is also cool...well once I actually finish it anyway.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cybero on January 20, 2005, 03:07:47 PM
i have watched EP.1-14 and i have seen no mention of watfields new gundam or the "freedom v2"...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 20, 2005, 11:07:39 PM
watch the opening animation very carefully, that's where they hide the hints
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on January 21, 2005, 04:12:02 AM
i have watched EP.1-14 and i have seen no mention of watfields new gundam or the "freedom v2"...

The goldish gundam in the opening animation is Watfield's I believe. It goes by rather quicky so watch carefully. I had to pause it to get a clear shot. As for "Freedom v2", all you see is a shadow of it near the end of the opening animation.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on January 21, 2005, 09:30:37 AM
Bear with me cause I know you guys probably discussed this before.

I just watched the first 3 episodes last night. Loved it. When I saw Shinn's family all bloody and crap (of course dead) my jaw hit the floor. I forgot this was the unedit versions cause of course it is the Japanese version (which I have no problem with). I just was thinking it was going to be like the English version of Seed. I can easily understand Shinn's situation.

The guy with the mask looks like the guy with the mask in Seed (Don't know how to spell is name). Is he him cause I thought he dies in the end. Also Stella (or stellar don't know which) acts a lot like psychopatic Flay. Even though Flay redeems herself (for the most part) at the end of seed.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 21, 2005, 10:21:45 AM
Well unless they start making MG of all the gundams...I have to buy the 1/100s too.  Freedom and Wing Zero Custom MG are still two of my favorites.  I actually prefer the MG to the PG, but my PG Strike is also cool...well once I actually finish it anyway.

Yeah, I still need the Freedom, but I won't get the Wing Zero Custom since I already have the Ver.Ka MG and the 1/100 Wing Zero Custom... no need for it. I like my PGs more, but I know what you mean... plus, with so many MGs, they are all to scale with each other, so they look nice, where with the PGs, you can only have so many. ^^;; I need the Strike PG too... <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 21, 2005, 04:33:44 PM
to Aoshi:

Well you should really watch up to the current ep so you know what is actually happening.  But I'll answer your question anyway...no the guy with the mask in GSD is not La Krueze (sp...I've seen you many spellings that I forgot).  As to who he actually is, well watch the intro to ep 14 and you might be able to guess like the rest of us.  Who knows maybe he is the same guy, but considering his voice and the images shown on the new intro...I think we all know who he might be.

To Jadau:
But the Wing 0 Custom MG is so cool!  The wings are cooler since they have moving segments, plus now it can actually stand.  The PG was more unbalanced.  Plus it looks great once you display it in the Endless Waltz cover pose...right next to my MG Wing Ka.  Freedom is also a must have.  I have it with it's wing spread between my MG Strike and Strike Rouge.  Yeah yeah...I have a lot :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cybero on January 21, 2005, 06:32:59 PM
sry but i cant seem to guess...can u help me??? :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 22, 2005, 08:56:34 PM
I just finished watching ep 16.  It's a solid ep that moves the plot forward while settling several character issues, but there's very little action so it felt a little dry.  Anyways, Kira clears up Cagalli's doubts by explaining that her father was right and Yuuna was only using her, Athrun tries to make a layover in Orb but is pushed back by a pair of Mursames (the name for the new transforming Astrays) and so heads to Carpentaria and the Minerva.  There he joins the crew, most of whom are shocked that he's a "faith" and even Shinn drops his angst and shows him respect, and gives a Faith pin to the Minerva Captain (I forget her name).  Arthur gets pouty that he doesn't get one, and Lunamaria drops the bomb that Cagalli was kidnapped during her wedding ceremony.  The Captain explains Freedom picked her up and Athrun figures she'll be safe as long as she's with Kira.  There's some character development scenes that setup a possible love triangle between Cagalli, Athrun, and Lunamaria.  Also, Athrun delivers Minerva's deployment orders, and some dastardly deeds are revealed to have been commited by the Atlantic Federation.  I won't spoil this part because this is some juicy stuff.  Right before the end we get to see the Feddie pilots and Neo, and the stage is set for the big confrontation.  The preview for next week's episode is for something called "Gundam Seed Destiny Edited", which appears to be some sort of recap episode.  I'm not really sure what it is because all the narration says is a few things about the four main characters (Athrun, Kira, Cagalli, and Shinn) and some recycled animation is played in the background to new music.  The text underneath the footage simply says that there's a "present" (I think it's a downloadable movie of gsd) on the GSD website (http://seed-d.net) through a password (AA4) and that it will be downloadable after the episode airs (7:30 japan time).  I'm not really sure why they said that last part, because no one would have known about the "present" until the episode finished airing.  Also, my raw had a pretty cool gundam commercial about the new Zeta Gundam models coming out, with some footage of the new Gundam Evolved Zeta Gundam Movie Short (which is about the Marasai).  It's mostly of a strange girl in a model shop and some shots of the Marasai.  But, it really makes me want the Hyaku Shiki model, so shiny!

*EDIT* Oh yeah, I forgot to mention two things of note.  One is that Lunamaria's little sister is doing some research on Athrun and it shows a photo of the original group of Red Coats straight out of the academy, and the Orange haired guy and some other unknown guy are there.  Later Shinn is seen reading manga in the break room, and the title happens to be "Pride" by High and Mighty Color ^_-
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 27, 2005, 10:21:36 AM
Are you talking about the old MG Hyaku Shiki, Jais? Or are they releasing the version that was made into a FIX Figuration as an MG?

And indeed, good episode to basically just move the plot... the Mursames looked even more like Zeta Gundam's Wave Rider mode the more I looked at them... good stuff. Yeah, that's about it.

Oh, and I did not miss any more Evolves, right? Its still only up to 5? Just making sure I did not skip any by by mistake. <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 27, 2005, 04:31:59 PM
yeah ep 15 was just a set up for, hopefully, an upcoming battle.  Who knows, maybe we're close to finally seeing Shinn vs Kira.  What dissappointed me was that this ep was Savior's debut, but they didn't show it do anything.  I was hoping for its entrance to be a little better than that.  And yeah this series is drawing on Zeta more and more I think.  The new MS for the new character is called Gouf Ignited (which I think is a play on the name since the the guy from TM Revolution is the voice).  Zaku and Gouf should should just stay in the UC timeline.  BTW, has anybody watch ZZ Gundam...does it get better?  Cuz right now I'm on ep 15 or so, and the comedy stuff is just starting to get on my nervous.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cybero on January 27, 2005, 05:06:32 PM
does ne one have a guess as to hu neo really is?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on January 27, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
Judau, I'm pretty sure it's just the old MG Hyaku Shiki and that they were showing all the current MG Zeta Gundam models in an effort to accent the release of the MG Marasai. 

Cybero, his name starts with Mwu and ends with La Fllaga.  Hence Ramius crying in the opening when she's pointing the gun at Neo.  Damn I hate having to point out obvious stuff...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on January 27, 2005, 07:08:29 PM
I think Cybero is asking who Neo is...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 27, 2005, 07:16:32 PM
Wow I still can't believe you asked that question.  I thought it was pretty obvious who he was...unless they're playing a trick on us.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on January 27, 2005, 09:04:46 PM
clone. a clone i say! they cloned his father, so why can't they clone him?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 27, 2005, 11:07:04 PM
BTW, has anybody watch ZZ Gundam...does it get better?  Cuz right now I'm on ep 15 or so, and the comedy stuff is just starting to get on my nervous.

Yeah, I've seen it 3 times... the deal with ZZ is that after Zeta's depressing second half, Tomino decided he wanted to shift the feelings of Gundam fans with the new characters. A lot of people hate it, I still really like it, although I can see where they come from. There is very little death (if at all?) and the "comedy" is constant... but I really did like the last half, and the suits are great. It should be obvious tha they took Impulse's transformation scene from the ZZ Gundam (which I love). Some of the characters are ok, some are shitty (and some are downright freaky). I thought Judau was a breath of fresh air since before hand, I had seen 0079 and 0083.... I don't have to say more. So yeah, its kind of a love or hate series, I just avoid paying attention to the comedy and stick with the overall plot...

Judau, I'm pretty sure it's just the old MG Hyaku Shiki and that they were showing all the current MG Zeta Gundam models in an effort to accent the release of the MG Marasai.

Ah, cool, I had not even heard it was coming out... I already have the Zeta, Zeta A-1, Super Gundam, and Hyaku Shiki... so now I need to get the Marasai, Rick Dias, and Hi-Zack.... stupid money.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cybero on January 28, 2005, 12:56:21 PM
Wow I still can't believe you asked that question.  I thought it was pretty obvious who he was...unless they're playing a trick on us.

yea i thought he was him too but y would he suddenly become such a jerk?? and fight with the E.A. when it was obvious in SEED that he was completely against them???it just doesnt make ne sense...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on January 28, 2005, 06:29:46 PM
The only thing keeping me watching zz gundam is that I know the ms gets better at the end.  And yeah all the previous gundams were depressing, but zz is just too much stray from the series.  That's why I like Seed, not too dark but not too kiddy. 

As for the whole Neo thing...pretty sure he is a clone (and Rei too), that or if it is Mu, then he probably got brainwashed or lost his memory.  I mean the dude was blown up in space...no way he would survive without some damage.  I would comment more, but I'm too sick to today.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 29, 2005, 05:44:18 AM
The only thing keeping me watching zz gundam is that I know the ms gets better at the end.  And yeah all the previous gundams were depressing, but zz is just too much stray from the series.  That's why I like Seed, not too dark but not too kiddy.

Just a not, the FAZZ ONLY appears in episode 46. << And there was at least one death that I remember, but nothing like Zeta Gundam.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cybero on January 29, 2005, 07:02:55 AM
Quote

As for the whole Neo thing...pretty sure he is a clone (and Rei too)

thats soooooooooo original.... ::)


EDIT: Just fixed your quote tags. - Judau
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 03, 2005, 07:45:59 PM
Just finished ZZ (nothiing else to do when you're sick...)  Anyway, it got good half way through.  You can tell the story was changed.  And there were a lot of deaths...pretty much characters that weren't the main-main characters were killed.  And some characters went through some big changes.  Marshima went from comical to typical Zeta-esque fighter.  Gremmi went from comic sidekick to Sirroco like character.  And at the end, it was Lu (Roux?) that ended up with Judau...I would have picked Elle.  FAZZ didn't do crap!  Why was it made into a MG!?!  Oh well whatever...this is the GSD post so I'll end my ZZ rant.  I'll watch Victory soon...which will complete my viewing of the UC timeline.  Then I'll just have Turn-A left...which I doubt that I'll watch...and I would have seen every Gundam series.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on February 03, 2005, 09:05:59 PM
Heh, right, its been a while since I saw ZZ... and I know FAZZ does nothing. Remember, it got not one MG, but TWO (thanks to Gundam Sentinel). It seems everyone just needs to see Victory and Turn 'A'. ^^;;

Plus, Destiny... review episode... yup.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on February 04, 2005, 10:45:52 AM
My problem with ZZ was that the series went from being an adult show about the effects of war to being a kids' show with the intent of selling more models.  To make a Star Wars analogy, ZZ was Return of the Jedi only with Judau and his crew instead of midget wookies.  One can take this even further and compare V to Phantom Menace and Turn-A to attack of the clones, but that's not really necessary.  The point is that I feel MSG and Zeta were able to deliver adult and meanigful messages to their audiences while ZZ was just an attempt to cash in on the success of those two.  Oh, and the opening theme sucks hardcore.  The guy's singing reminds me exactly of the singing from the south park song "Let's Fighting Love."  If the song is going to suck, it should atleast do so in a kick ass way like the original gundam.  "GUUUUUNDAMU!"
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 04, 2005, 12:02:49 PM
I think I turned this forum to a ZZ one...oh well :P  Yeah the op and ed theme sucked hard core in ZZ.  The whole "anime ja nai" thing was the worst.  But lets get back to GSD.  I still haven't watch the Editted ep yet.  I have it, and I'll probably watch it this weekend.  I hoping in ep 16, we'll see savior in a real battle.  It better have some power or else it'll feel like Athrun got ripped off coming from Justice to a weaker gundam.  And about gundam shows and models.  That's been one of the selling points for so long though.  Especially with the newer alternate universes series.  G, Wing, and Seed had so many gundams that was turned to models (I have em all so I know  ;D ).  But there's noting wrong with that.  I just bought the Chaos Gundam and I don't even like it!  They better release Gaia as at least a 1/100.  For sure there's going to be a MG Impulse, Destiny (?...Freedom v2...?), and probably whatever new MS Kira/Athrun will be piloting.

Edit:  What the hell Mia Cambell is going to be in a Zaku.  It's pink and has "Lacus Clyne" on it's shield?!?!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 05, 2005, 07:52:30 PM
I have finally gotten around to catching up to Japan by watching 11 episodes in 5 days, since I wasn't able to download anything on my old computer. I'm going to skip that Edited episode, I have much more productive things to do in a half hour than watch a clip show.  :P My only real thoughts are that the lack of Shinn is starting to annoy me, he is supposed to be the main character right? It seems all he does is show up for 5 minutes and A: Rant about Orb, Uzumi, or some other angst or B: Lust after his sister(which is getting creepy btw, you had a mom and dad too buddy). Another thought is that I'd say it was pretty obvious that Shinn was going to have a Seed, but he did pretty well for his first time. Also, I find it interesting that for the first time someone actually used Anti-Ship swords on a ship, good job Shinn.

Overall I am very pleased with this series thus far, I think it has surpassed my expectations by a lot(which were already pretty high). And I'm pretty sure I'm going to be getting the 1/100 Force Impulse Gundam, just need to find a place for it... ^^;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 07, 2005, 09:44:27 AM
Well we finally got to see the Savior in action.  It looks cool at least.  I'm still sure that Freedom or Providence are the strongest MS of the series so far...well maybe until Gundam Destiny (or whatever it'll be called...Shinn's new MS) is revealed.  Those Windams were a joke!  It's like 30 against 1, you would think they could at least hit the Impulse now and then!  Stella reminds me of all the artificial newtypes in the Z and ZZ.  She's pretty much the Four/Plu of this series I think.  I wouldn't mind seeing Lacus and Mia in MS and just duke it out  :P  That would be mildly entertaining.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 07, 2005, 05:21:56 PM
I was pleased that the main cast got a little attention, and we got to see the MIA Gundam pilots for the first time in a while. The Saviour Gundam looked pretty cool, but certainly didn't do much other than fly around and exchange shots with Chaos. And those Windam pilots had to have been rookies, Shinn wasn't even in Seed mode and he schooled them. And I wasn't fond of the color scheme on Neo's Windam, but at least he knows how to pilot one. I really hope Rey gets a little more action soon, and I'm starting to detect that he will become jealous of Shinn or even Arthrun. And the final scene was possibly one of the biggest cliches in all of Gundam, the Gundam pilot being slapped by a superior for insubordination. Ah well, at least we got to see a little more into Shinn's character.

And Shinaku I'd say that could be possible, as they are making a Meer Cambell Custom Zaku Warrior model kit(Gunota has the full story).
Here is some lineart for it:(http://www.1999hobbysearch.com/dbimages/user/hobby/itbig/10042096.jpg)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on February 07, 2005, 09:44:47 PM
Stella reminds me of all the artificial newtypes in the Z and ZZ.  She's pretty much the Four/Plu of this series I think.  I wouldn't mind seeing Lacus and Mia in MS and just duke it out  :P  That would be mildly entertaining.

Like I said before, she's definitely a Four-type character. More so than Plu, as from the opening, it seems she'll be some sort of "item" with Shinn, much like Camille was with Four. Anyway, I have yet to see 16... waiting for AonE.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on February 07, 2005, 10:55:43 PM
Shinn reminds me more of Jerid than Camille, what with being a psycho douche-bag and all.  Plus, Camille had much hotter women chasing after him, which kind of makes Athrun like Camille...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 07, 2005, 11:50:34 PM
Shinn reminds me more of Jerid than Camille, what with being a psycho douche-bag and all.  Plus, Camille had much hotter women chasing after him, which kind of makes Athrun like Camille...

I can agree with that, except that Shinn has somewhat of an excuse to be an ass...Jerid Messa was just an ass. But despite being an ass at times, I like him a lot more than Jerid(a useless character imo, he never learned or grew at all...cool death though). But yeah I would definitely choose Four over Stellar.. :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 15, 2005, 11:58:49 AM
The series is slowing down a bit now and allowing more character development.  Though it was amusing seeing Mia Cambell do the remix of Shizuka na Yori.  "Lacus-sama" "L-O-V-E LOVE!" :P  That was just fan service.  And the comment they made about her clothes and breast was like to acknowledge that "yes we know we made her sexier, and we're fine with that."  Oh and the new character, Haine Westenfluss, is suppose to come in around ep 19.  I'm just curious how good he is with his Gouf Ignite.  And I'm guessing by ep 25, we should see the two new gundams.  If that's ture, the Impulse didn't get that much screen time (unless it'll be piloted by someone else) considering it's suppose to be the main one.  We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 15, 2005, 06:45:50 PM
I really didn't want to believe you that there was such a thing as a "Gouf Ignite", but here it is on mahq: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed-destiny/zgmf-2000.htm *sigh* This is just getting quite silly, here's hoping the Dom doesn't make an appearence.  :P It doesn't anger me that they are borrowing UC designs and names, it just makes me worry that bandai is running out of ideas.

Anyway, on to the actual episode. I agree, that was pretty funny, and also obviously fan service since her breasts were shaking almost the entire time. I'll take the old Lacus over the new annoying slutty one thanks. >_> I thought the ending was pretty good, maybe now Shinn will look at Arthrun differently and also come to terms with reality more over time. One thing that I noticed about this series is that the episodes seem so short, yet it's still pretty much the same running time as any other series. Very odd indeed, it doesn't really mean anything(just my imagination I'm sure) I just wish after having to wait a week between episodes that they would last a little longer.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 16, 2005, 02:06:28 PM
*gasp* you doubted moi on my infomation!?  :P  And don't worry, it's not just you that seems to think the episodes are shorter.  I've been feeling that too.  I guess that's a sign that things are moving at the right speed.  And yeah, I'm for the original Lacus as well.  Mia's immitation seems too perky...though not that I mind some fan service now and then.  I was thinking about plot the other day, don't you think it's too obvious about the Lacus assasination attempt and the fake Lacus?  Yeah all the clues point to the Chairman, but that seems just TOO obvious.  Maybe I'm thinking too much, but there's got to be a plot twist, like maybe he's not really the bad guy.  Wouldn't it be a shock if Mia is actually the master mind behind all this :P  Or better yet, Shinn's sister somehow survived and turned crazy and now is organizing this entire thing!  ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 16, 2005, 03:18:08 PM
heh, it wasn't that I doubt you, just wanted to believe you were wrong. And good, I'm not going crazy.  :P
 
Fan service doesn't really bother me, any straight man would be lying if he said otherwise, but when it's too frequent it can get annoying. And I've been suspecting the Chairman for a while, for the reason you mentioned and if you notice whenever they zoom in on Dullindal he usually has a smirk on his face...they usually do this while people are discussing who is behind things like the assassination attempt...hmm. I mean it makes too much sense that he would want to use Mia as propaganda to control the Zaft people and that if the real Lacus ever emerged it would jeopardize that...so the simple solution is of course to kill her. But who knows, there might be some plot twist so strange we may never think of it.  ::)

Maybe his sister's arm came back to life(since i think the rest of her body was vaporized)and is now like thing from the adams family and craves revenge on the naturals...yeah that sounds possible.. :D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on February 17, 2005, 10:49:21 AM
Hah, Kyle, you didin't check MAHQ soon enough, they had info on the Gouf Ignite weeks ago. :P

Anywho, finally watched it... not too much to it, the most interesting being the disscussion between Shinn and Athrun. And yeah, I like the original Lacus a lot more too, but not in SEED... it was like she was constantly high and never seemed like a real person. In Destiny she's fine though... I guess Kira "brought her down to earth"... hah. <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 17, 2005, 03:23:45 PM
heh, I don't take much interest in the Seed mecha section so I guess I just never noticed... >_>

And yeah I noticed that also, it seemed like her mind was never in the same place as anyone else(like she lived in her own little world of sunshine and rainbows) and that she was just plain high(like you said.). She did get pretty serious after her father was killed and played a decent role in the final battle(Yachin Due I think it was called), but she is defiantly much more normal in Destiny as stated in your pun.  :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 20, 2005, 09:26:04 PM
Had to make sure I beat everyone to the post of ep 18.  Not going to say much just yet, except that it was pretty brutal.  Feel sorry for that one Dagger pilot...ouch!  After this ep, NOW I want Shinn to die...what a bastard.  I'm also liking Lunamaria more and more.  Kinda wish she would end up with Athrun.  The preview for next ep shows Mia in her pink zaku...so yeah.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on February 20, 2005, 09:54:18 PM
Had to make sure I beat everyone to the post of ep 18.  Not going to say much just yet, except that it was pretty brutal.  Feel sorry for that one Dagger pilot...ouch!  After this ep, NOW I want Shinn to die...what a bastard.  I'm also liking Lunamaria more and more.  Kinda wish she would end up with Athrun.  The preview for next ep shows Mia in her pink zaku...so yeah.

Watching GSD makes my blood pressure climb like 30 points or so.
I just don't understand how two mobile suits (Core Splendor and Savior) can take out the entire fucking base. OVERPOWERED?? It is ridiculous. And the alliance mobile armor...why didn't it up its shields when the Savior was shooting the positron beam at it? Fucking ridiculous...the alliance is so weak, which begs the question why hasn't ZAFT won this war (and the preceding war) within 30mins of Gundam airtime? I mean a series is only entertaining if the protagonists have to overcome adversities that test their character. But all Shinn does is fly in, shot for a couple of scenes, and the next thing you know, the battle is over and the ZAFT forces have won! IMO, the integrity of this series should SERIOUSLY be questioned.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on February 20, 2005, 10:27:24 PM
Cnn, it's mainly a factor of numbers.  ZAFT has about 20 colonies, and the Earth Federation has a population of around 9 billion...you do the math
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 21, 2005, 10:58:55 AM
Cnn, it's mainly a factor of numbers.  ZAFT has about 20 colonies, and the Earth Federation has a population of around 9 billion...you do the math

If I remember correctly Zaft doesn't really have a big population, but don't forget that they are superior beings in terms of intellegence and strength so that comes into consideration when comparing them to the EA. And I really don't think that the Alliance is the main protagonist of this series, I'm sure there will be a plot twist very soon resulting in the real enemy revealing itself(which very well could be Chairman Dullindal, the preview of 19 overshadows this a bit. ).

I felt pretty bad for that Dagger pilot too, getting stabbed by a knife twice your size isn't a nice way to go. The episode was going great and seemed so realistic but then the end was kind of cheesy, it baffles me how Shinn can throw an exploding Dagger into the hatch and it results in the entire base blowing up(and it's not even like MS have nuclear reactors like they did in the UC era). And I understand that the Lohengrin cannon is most likely what caused the chain reaction that made the base go up, but how can a single Dagger make even that explode?. I'm just saying that it was a cheesy way for the battle to end. And that mobile armor didn't do crap.....I was expecting a much more epic battle. Oh well, the next one will be better.

Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 21, 2005, 12:36:04 PM
Well a gundam series has never been that realistic when it comes to the power of their pilots.  Even back in Zeta and ZZ, the main character seems to come out on top against very uneven numbers.  Though GSD is pushing it a bit.  In Seed, the Zaft had better MS, but they were outnumbered.  Hence the war was dragged on.  In GSD, the Alliance had caught up in tech, but I guess the new Gundams are just that much superior *shrug*  We haven't really seen any other battles other than the one Impulse has been in.   And for why that mobile armor didn't raise its shield...dunno...maybe it ran out of power or maybe it takes time to recharge this time.  You just take it for what it is.  I mean, how does Freedom aim its shot so that only the none vital parts are destroy even though it stays in one place and blast in all direction?  I'm guessing we still have about 10 episodes before anything big happens.  upgraded Freedom, Gundam Destiny, and the other stuff we're hoping for will probably happen around ep 30 or so.  Anyway, I have to finish some editing and painting my models.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on February 21, 2005, 05:02:05 PM
Well a gundam series has never been that realistic when it comes to the power of their pilots.  Even back in Zeta and ZZ, the main character seems to come out on top against very uneven numbers.  Though GSD is pushing it a bit.  In Seed, the Zaft had better MS, but they were outnumbered.  Hence the war was dragged on.  In GSD, the Alliance had caught up in tech, but I guess the new Gundams are just that much superior *shrug*  We haven't really seen any other battles other than the one Impulse has been in.   And for why that mobile armor didn't raise its shield...dunno...maybe it ran out of power or maybe it takes time to recharge this time.  You just take it for what it is.  I mean, how does Freedom aim its shot so that only the none vital parts are destroy even though it stays in one place and blast in all direction?  I'm guessing we still have about 10 episodes before anything big happens.  upgraded Freedom, Gundam Destiny, and the other stuff we're hoping for will probably happen around ep 30 or so.  Anyway, I have to finish some editing and painting my models.

But remember, in the original Seed, Kira was struggling at fighting multiple enemies at once...which is realistic, and for that I liked Seed (until pretty much every fucking pilot can pop into Seed mode.. that was just gay).  But it's not like that in GSD...I mean, if Athrun + Shinn is so powerful, why the hell did that assault include two other ships?  Also, it is ridiculous that a single windam can set off a series of explosions leading up to the destruction of the ENTIRE base... I mean, I'm not an authority on engineering but I'm sure the fucking windams aren't built with 2000000 lbs of TNT rigged to every part of its body, such that even BULLETS can initiate a explosion that would destroy an entire base.  If that was the case, instead of fighting with the damn windamns, they should just use them as SUICIDE BOMBERS.

And don't bring up this shit about "well, the EA outnumbers ZAFT...so the war is at a stalemate..." HELLO?! DID YOU NOT WATCH GSD 18?!? TWO GUNDAMS DESTROYED AN ENTIRE GARRISON OF EA FORCES WITH IMPUNITY.  If those of you are well versed in military tactics (actually, even if you are a complete dumbass who can do nothing but simple arithmetic): when you have 2 units that can destroy like 50+ units without taking ANY casaulties....you would win the fucking war in a week.  Look at Hitler's invasion of Poland prior to WWII...50,000 Polish Cavalry...against under 1000 German Armoured Cavalry (i.e. tanks) .... that "conflict" lasted how long?

In fact, I agree with whoever said that Gundam is a big 25min commercial....because it is.  All it shows is how fast a gundam can fuck other shit up.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on February 21, 2005, 09:37:47 PM
I agree that the Dagger blowing up the whole base was incredibly unrealistic, they should have just kept the explosion to the Lohingrin cannon. While Athrun and Shinn did most of the work, the Zakus were there and fighting as well, it just did not show them doing as much... << You never know if the overpowering suits will lead to something later, or if it will just be another Gundam Wing... but it honestly does not bother me. *shrug*
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 22, 2005, 12:50:54 AM
While Athrun and Shinn did most of the work, the Zakus were there and fighting as well, it just did not show them doing as much... << You never know if the overpowering suits will lead to something later, or if it will just be another Gundam Wing... but it honestly does not bother me. *shrug*

Yeah that is true, the Zakus and other Zaft forces could have done the ladder of the enemy kills, you only actually see Shinn and Arthrun kill a few on screen.

And no matter what direction the series goes in, I will still like it because I like the characters and basically any Gundam product(heh "basically" meaning on the grounds that i haven't seen G-Saviour) will keep me entertained to an extent(if not a lot) but I do have preferences. But I did really like how Destiny was sort of starting to seem a bit UC esque , but if it went Wing on us I wouldn't mind...it'd be better this time because of less pretty boys and no Relena.  :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 22, 2005, 12:51:27 PM
Well me and cn already had our discussion about the base blowing up so I leave that be.  And yeah this series is starting a path towards Wing, which I don't mind but there was a reason I liked Seed better than Wing.  Also I don't really consider G-Saviour a part of gundam...just by reading about it...I never seen though.  I did try to find it once but was unsuccessful.  GSD at the moment hasn't really expand on the hardship the characters is going through.  Up to about ep 13, each of the main characters had to deal with some sort of conflict.  Shinn has his past to deal with (and the lust of sister :( ), while Kira and Athrun had to decide their paths.  But now it's just like, "hey a battle with huge numbers and all it needs is one or two gundams..."  Hopefully with the coming of the new character and coming role of Mia, something will develop.  Has anybody noticed that Mia looked a lot more different in the first op...I wonder what kind of make up lets you make you eyes bigger and rounder.  Also what happen to Milly?  She made a brief appearance and is now gone.  I thought she was going to play the role of an informant or something.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on February 27, 2005, 01:54:05 PM
Man is it just me or is Mia VERY annoying?!  I mean man, bring it down a bit!  And what's up with Rey?  His coolness points just drop almost to zero in this episode.  Though I thought the Lunamaria thing was funny.  First her sister, then Mia.  Just wait till she finds out about Cagali :P   Anyway, I'm hoping the events will shift towards the Archangel crew soon.  They haven't done anything since they left Orb.  Next episode is (hopefully) expand on Shinn a little bit.  I don't want to see another half hour of him remember about his sister, and totally neglecting his parents.  Damn, grief for them a little bit at least!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on February 27, 2005, 04:45:35 PM
"WTF YAOI!!!" was what went through my mind at that one Rey/Dullindal scene.

"WTF DIE ALREADY!!!" was what went through my mind at the Mia scenes.

"WTF HE SMELLS FISHY" was what went through my mind at the Athrun/Dullindal scene at the end of the ep.

"WTF WHERE ARE THE IMPORTANT PPL" was what went through my mind during the entire episode.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 27, 2005, 05:12:46 PM
Ok, Mia in concert was amusing...once...her boobs constantly shaking could be easily overlooked...once...a second time isn't. That stupid concert wasted a good portion of the episode, I hope Mia either dies or matures soon.  And is Rey gay? Or is it just like extreme admiration for the Chairman? Because he used to be so cool and serious and then *poof* all crushed in an instant. I really hope they aren't trying to cheaply attract fan girls/yaoi fans(heh, or are they basically one in the same) to boost ratings, because come on Sunrise you're better than that.

I thought the episode had some really great discussions, which is a thing I've always liked about Gundam. But was it me or was the animation different in this episode? I recall one episode of Seed(40 perhaps, i forget) where their eyes were bigger than normal and it looked rather strange. Here the animation quality just seemed to be down a bit, maybe since the episode was more comedic in some ways. And I'm not looking forward to the incestuous flashback episode, and I think i commented once before on him completely ignoring his parents. They are the reason for his birth and created his object of lust, jeez Shinn show some respect. But at least a Archangel episode might follow, and maybe Shinn's character will have some actual depth which is good. We'll just have to wait and see...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on February 28, 2005, 07:55:22 AM
Or Rey could be somehow related to the Chairman... I don't think we are supposed to know anything about the two of them quite yet, although there's no way they'll turn out gay. :P

That episode was such a filler to anything really interesting, besides a few things mentioned during the ep. The next could be better than it seems, but who knows... I as well would like to know what the hell happened to the Archangel.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on February 28, 2005, 01:46:43 PM
Or Rey could be somehow related to the Chairman... I don't think we are supposed to know anything about the two of them quite yet, although there's no way they'll turn out gay. :P

Yes that seems to make sense, people on other boards seemed to think the Chairman is Rey's addoptive father. But I have no idea where they would be getting that from, but it's obvious enough that they have had some sort of past relationship that we won't learn until later. The next episode could be good for explaining how Shinn ended up in Plant and joined the millitary, since there is a pretty decent time gap between his family's death and the start of the series. Also we'll get to see the effects of war in the last series more clearly, which could also be interesting. But I just hope it's not completely taken up by Shinn in shock with sister flashbacks...either way I'd still watch though.

Aside from the interesting political and social commentaries, there wasn't really any thing relevent in the episode..although we did see the Gouf Ignited and meet the new character Haine Westenfluss which no one mentioned yet. But I would really just like to see the Archangel, I mean I wasn't even aware it was capable of going underwater let alone staying there all this time. o.O;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 06, 2005, 02:35:42 PM
Ok, that was a waste of an episode.  Pretty much sums up Seed in case anyone missed it...or its 4 recap episodes.  There was like 5 mins of new footage.  Nothing to talk about here.  Hopefully the next episode will be something.  Lunamaria getting jealous of Mia, and the meeting of Stella and Shinn ala Camille and Four probably.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 07, 2005, 10:48:30 AM
Yeah, that episode was stupid, on to the next one.

I can't wait for the meeting of Shinn and Stella... I've been waiting since episode 1. Four is my favorite female character, so this might prove more interesting than a recap episode of the LAST series (should be pretty easy).

Maybe the animators wanted a break or something. -_-
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 07, 2005, 12:38:15 PM
*sigh* Twenty minutes of my life down the tube, just for another clip show. I had hoped there would have been at least some new footage, but there was barely any and no where near enough to redeem the episode.

But if this episode served any purpose, it was the next episode preview as it looks very interesting. I loved the Kamile/Four plot, and I'm sure I'll love seeing it again. Even if the next episode sucks(which I doubt it will), ANYTHING is better than a clip show...hell I would have settled for the stupidest plot imaginable as long as it was something I hadn't seen several times already.

Well anyway, see you all after episode 21.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 08, 2005, 08:17:37 PM
I knew it! I knew naturals couldn't have the SEED! Shinn's a coordinator(I never knew)! Episode 20 was indeed boring, but at least it answered my question about Shinn and his SEED.

I was just on Mahq and guess what I found. Gundam Destiny! I'm not sure how many of you already know about it, but it says it's piloted by Shinn. I believe our so called mystery "Freedom V2" has been uncovered to be ZGMF-X42S Destiny Gundam. It's like a combination of Force, Blast, Sword Impulse Gundam.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed-destiny/zgmf-x42s.htm

It's not as cool looking as I thought it would be...

Sorry, if this has been discovered already, but I've missed alot of posts that everyone made and didn't exactly feel like going through all of them.

***********************************************************

OH BLOODY HELL!!! GUNDAM SEED DESTINY IS LICENSED ALREADY!!! ARGHHHH!!! Now my only hope of subbed episodes is on AonE(thank god) and maybe another group. But I still can't believe it's already licensed at episode 20...

Interview on Mahq
http://www.mahq.net.nyud.net:8090/rants/interviews/jchu.htm
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 09, 2005, 07:47:36 AM
OH BLOODY HELL!!! GUNDAM SEED DESTINY IS LICENSED ALREADY!!! ARGHHHH!!! Now my only hope of subbed episodes is on AonE(thank god) and maybe another group. But I still can't believe it's already licensed at episode 20...

I sure as hell can... I was just thinking the other day how I could not believe it hadn't been yet... SEED was licensed around this time too (or closer to 30? I can't remember), Bandai already had it in Japan anyway, so that was obvious, and Gundam SEED is doing well her in the US, so of course they would want it here ASAP.

Yay for AonE. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on March 09, 2005, 08:35:45 AM
The plus about watching this series Raw is not only do you not have to worry about fansubbers dropping it, and you get see all the cool little model cms that they always cut out of the fansubs =/

There ain't nothin hotter than a spunky Japanese girl that not only loves Gundam models, but also has an inside connection to prototype models. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 09, 2005, 08:39:14 AM
OH BLOODY HELL!!! GUNDAM SEED DESTINY IS LICENSED ALREADY!!! ARGHHHH!!! Now my only hope of subbed episodes is on AonE(thank god) and maybe another group. But I still can't believe it's already licensed at episode 20...

I sure as hell can... I was just thinking the other day how I could not believe it hadn't been yet... SEED was licensed around this time too (or closer to 30? I can't remember), Bandai already had it in Japan anyway, so that was obvious, and Gundam SEED is doing well her in the US, so of course they would want it here ASAP.

Yay for AonE. :)

Really? I thought it was SEED was licensed when the series was finished in Japan... Meh... shows what I know.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 09, 2005, 03:01:19 PM
Seed was liscensed with only a few episodes left, I remember because it pissed me off thinking I wouldn't get to see the end. And yeah we discussed the Destiny Gundam in a different thread, Gunota had the news up before MAHQ because it had some down time.

And I never knew that about the RAWS, I love those model CMs with that retarded japanese girl....looks like i'll have to download me some.  :P And hopefully nothing will keep me from finishing GSD, but at least if I can't it will have happened earlier than it did with Seed.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 09, 2005, 03:07:02 PM
Man I really hope that GSD won't be drop by all the groups.  It's unlikely given the popularity.  I'm sure at least one will keep going, or at least new ones will surface.  I'm not going to stop watching it now!!!  Not when things should be picking up soon!  And yeah I think we all agreed that Destiny Gundam was a disappointment.  Still, I want to see it go one on one with Freedom.  Oh and if you check Gunota, there are some spoilers for the coming eps as well as some more pics of Destiny (doing a Destiny Finger?!?)  Things should get more interesting around ep 22.  Archangel finally has some role...it's about time.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 13, 2005, 09:03:21 AM
sigh...so I guess I'll be waiting to see which renegade group will be doing GSD now.  Aone and anime-keep have dropped it.  Seed-Fansubs hasn't really announced anything (so I heard) except for stuff like "YES! Quit asking!" and "We're still here aren't we" so I'm hoping they're doing it.  No clue on Anirupt.  Maybe Haro^2 will come back and save us again.  I'm sure as hell won't wait another year till they release it here, and another year till they catch up!!!  And I refuse to watch the series edited and chopped up till I see the original first!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 13, 2005, 09:49:58 AM
OH THOSE BLEEDING CRACKS, just when episode 21 was coming out too. I really hope a group saves us all, if not I'm not waiting an effing year to watch the rest of this. Of course we can't post any links to these renegade groups subbing it since it's licensed, but you can tell the other members outside of Yanime's forums if you want.

*sigh* Bandai of America never misses a chance to piss me off, and honestly I think their entire company is a bunch of morons who can't market anything correctly and just all around suck at what they do.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 13, 2005, 01:14:47 PM
lol bummer... I was just about to post a group that still subs it. I nearly forgot I wasn't allowed... episode 21 should be interesting...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 13, 2005, 03:57:30 PM
Yes...good ol dependable **** *******.  Just check the usual places for it :)  Ok someone check out Gunota.  They say that Kira's next MS may be called Nu-Freedom, but right below that there is an added comment.  If I'm reading it right, the pic is just a tease for the GPX Cyber Formula thing.  Or are they saying that the "Nu" is refereing to GPX and not the UC Nu Gundam?  If Kira does get "Nu-Gundam", that would be the shit!!! Combining my fav UC ms with my fav alternate universe ms would be awsome!.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 14, 2005, 09:59:15 PM
How about if one of you nice gents just send me the URL over PM... I'm too lazy to go searching, yet I found some very interesting screenshots the other day that I must watch in full glory. <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 15, 2005, 07:57:51 AM
I know 2 groups that still continues. One is the one Shinaku mentioned... Well I know what it is he typed since I use that group... and ****. Are we allowed PMing it?

Episode 21

Lunamaria finds that Athrun and "Lacus" have slept together and gets really jealous!! Dun Dun Dun! Heine Westenfluss joins Minerva. Shinn dives into the water and saves Stellar but says "Did you want to die idiot?!" You all know what happens when Stellar hears she's gonna die! She spaz out and tryed to run back into the water. Shinn stops her, blah blah blah and says he'll protect her and she calms down. They shelter themselves in a cave and striped their clothes to dry over the fire(All Stellar had on was panties! Bleh). Shinn breaks a tag thing earlier to call for help. Athrun comes to the rescue. Sting and Agulle(whatever his name is) finds her, Shinn leaves, Stellar gets sad and the end.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 15, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
Yup, the group that emerged when Seed was licensed have reappear to help us once again.  I'm sure by now everyone knows who these groups are.  Well anyway, 21 was alright given that the last 3-4 ep didn't do anything.  Pretty much a throw back to when Cagali and Athrun met.  Though, don't girls in the future wear bras?!?!  And the whole Lunamaria thing is probably the most interesting thing at the moment.  When did Athrun became such a pimp :)  Mia probably is going to be later revealed to have psychological problems and that she wants everything Lacus has...crazy girl.  The next few ep should finally put things back on track.  Finally, the Archangel will return to battle.  And don't get attached to Gouf Ignited, it won't be there much longer.  Why is he in the title if his role is only in 5 ep?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 15, 2005, 10:42:30 AM
5 episodes only?! That's rather pointless... maybe he plays a important role in the series that will have a big impact.

Are you talking about the same group as I am? Because the 2 groups I know both are 4 letters and then *******.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 15, 2005, 11:40:49 AM
Well I found a place to download it, and it was a direct download so it finished in 10 minutes rather than hours like with torrents....

Anyway it wasn't great but in comparison to last few episodes it was pretty damn good. Arthrun's facial expressions were pretty amusing in the start of the episode, and I can tell he is really getting tired of Mia(I am too). And for some reason I found Stellar dancing on a cliff and falling pretty funny, and that she beat the hell out of Shinn while he was saving her. And I guess the only real reason Stellar had no bra was for fan service, even if you didn't see anything. One aspect of the episode I rather enjoyed was that Shinn wasn't a prick once and got along with Arthrun pretty well, hopefully this is a good sign for the future. Maybe now that he has a met a person as lonely as him he will realize he isn't the only one whose life sucks and finally stfu.

I can't wait for the next one though, the Archangel finally returns and from the looks of it Shinn will encounter the Freedom Gundam.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 15, 2005, 05:13:47 PM
About the two groups, I just know the one that had been doing it, and the one that...ok this is stupid...I'll just say the name.  Haro^2.  I don't know if that's the same ones you know.  And how do you get direct download (or what is direct download?), you talking about irc?

And about Heine...This is a spoiler for the next three eps, so don't read if you want to see it for yourself...








Heine will be killed by Kira in the following episodes.  Athrun leaves the Minerva to talk to Kira.  So that would be an impact...to bad it's not to Shinn.  Kira is still more of the main character than Shinn I think.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 15, 2005, 05:48:06 PM
Feck, shouldn't have read that, but it doesn't matter...i was expecting him to die anyway.

And I don't mind if you say the name, the series isn't even on DVD (or even close to that point yet) for god sake, it's not like we are cheating them out of money since THERE IS NO PRODUCT at the moment. When the time comes, I'll buy their DVDs, but I'm not going to stop downloading it because they plan on doing something several months from now. However, I don't have much say since I didn't make the rules, so if someone of higher authority has a problem then you'll have to remove it.

And what I downloaded is a Real Media VBR format, as opposed to .avi. And it was a zip file so it's compressed and much smaller, so the download time was fast. It was fine for an episode like this where there isn't much going on, but in a battle I'd want better quality so I will probably look for a torrent. I sent you the link to it via PM so you can get a better understanding.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 15, 2005, 06:42:07 PM
Heh I told you it was a spoiler :P  Oh, and they can't get rid of me...they need me to edit SR for them :P  And thanks for the link.  Too bad the download for GSD was down.  While I wait for the next ep, I'll catch up on V Gundam.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 15, 2005, 10:23:14 PM
As if anyone could resist the allure of a spoiler, heh ^^;.

And no problem for the link, I believe that if Japanese people get to watch this series for free, why don't we deserve the same?

I used to watch ZZ in between GSD releases, but since I've finished it I'll have to start a new one. I really don't understand why ZZ always gets a bad rap(especially from the mahq guy), I happened to love it. But this is a GSD thread so thats enough on ZZ.. :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 15, 2005, 10:45:19 PM
Yup, decent episode... quite interesting on a few subjects, altough next ep will be good to add in some new action and get back on track.

There should not be in a issue just stating WHO is subbing it, just don't go posting links. SEED fansubs seems to still be subbing, as I just got 21 from them today and it was the same as usual. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 16, 2005, 06:08:10 AM
Yeah! The good fight is about to begin! Finally! But... How and why would Kira kill Heine is what I'm wondering... He has never killed anyone since that guy with the gray Gundam at the end of SEED... What his name... Meh... Oh well you guys know who I'm talking about.

Haro^2 eh? I was thinking about SEED fansubs and AonE...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 07:13:32 AM
AonE is not subbing it anymore. And that was Rau in the Providence Gundam.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on March 16, 2005, 08:40:16 AM
Judau, Haro^2 is Aone, you silly bastard
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 16, 2005, 09:06:45 AM
Ara? It did...? They are?! Ohhhhh I never knew... Great now I learned something today!

Rau eh...? I see... I see... Curse my bad memory...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 16, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
Huh...I didn't know Haro^2 was Aone.  Aone "dropped" the series and then changed their name to keep subbing?  Well whatever, as long as they keep doing it.  Oh and here's more spoiler:



After the coming battle, Kira wonders why this is happening and what was it he was fighting for.  Lacus consoles him and tells him that it's for the future of their child.  She's pregnant!!



No that's not true.  I justed wanted to see your reaction  ;D  I wouldn't be surprise if Kira and Lacus still haven't confirm their relationship...unlike Mia...that little skank!!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 10:08:42 AM
Judau, Haro^2 is Aone, you silly bastard

Ahh, good idea. Cool. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 16, 2005, 01:20:34 PM
After the coming battle, Kira wonders why this is happening and what was it he was fighting for.  Lacus consoles him and tells him that it's for the future of their child.  She's pregnant!!

GASP! Lacus is pregnant?! Omg! I never knew Kira was like that... Maybe the child will inherit Kira's amazing skills and get a Gundam of his own at a very young age! ... Nah... Just kidding.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 05:43:45 PM
Like every other Gundam pilot? The oldest one is probably Domon from G Gundam. <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 16, 2005, 07:51:05 PM
Like every other Gundam pilot? The oldest one is probably Domon from G Gundam. <<

Shiro was the oldest at 24.

And I don't doubt that Kira could have gotten Lacus pregnant, they've lived together for what? 2 years? Plus most couples go at it like rabbits after a war, look at the baby boom. And Kira is like that(that doesn't mean he's bad either, he's being normal), he slept with Fllay(episode 15 of Seed if I'm not mistaken) and it's always possible he did at least something with Cagalli too(before he learned they were siblings of course, in episode 40). Damn, why are Gundam men always such pimps?   ::)

Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 16, 2005, 09:15:25 PM
Like every other Gundam pilot? The oldest one is probably Domon from G Gundam. <<

Shiro was the oldest at 24.

Ah, I was not aware he was that old, he seemed more like a mature 20 year old or something... which is why he is one of my favorite main characters... he's pretty mature... certainly whines very little. ^^;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 20, 2005, 04:58:52 PM
Check out Gunota for new pics of the new Gundams.  Nu Freedom (YES!!!)and Colossus Gundam.  I'm sure the Colossus is the one we see in the background when Destiny is fighting Freedom in the intro.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on March 20, 2005, 08:47:33 PM
Not very good pictures.  Yeah that Colossus one looks the part. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 20, 2005, 08:54:30 PM
Yeah I saw them yesterday, both look pretty interesting though I'll need better photos to have a full opinion. I wonder if Stellar will pilot the Colossus Gundam, since it can be compared to the Psycho Gundam which was piloted by Four(argueably Sellar's Z Gundam counterpart. ).

Edit: Well I just saw episode 22, and not a whole lot happens except for the last 5 minutes where a battle starts. Now I don't mind episodes with no fighting for story and character development and such, but not after I've already sat through quite a few and a clip show. God Yuna is such a moron...I hope he dies. I don't understand why Kira comes out of nowhere and blows up the Minerva's positron cannon just as it was going to attack, why would he want to side with Orb and the EA after he had just escaped from them and taken Cagalli? Of course this happens just as it ends so I have to wait a week to find out, I was expecting(more like hoping) the Archangel to fight alongside the Minerva but all bets are off for me at this point. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 21, 2005, 10:01:53 AM
Yeah I was somewhat surprised how the Freedom made the entrance.  What I'm guessing is that Kira shot the cannon because he didn't want it to fire and kill a bunch of people...though I'm not sure how he's going to fight an entire fleet without killing.  Then again, maybe he's just that good.  And too bad Hein isn't going to be around much longer, he has potential to be a good character.  As for Colossus, I'm guessing it's going to be the main villain rather than Stella, though that is likely too.  I'm curious what that big round thing on its back will do.  Why does it look so familar?  Not quite Providence, but similar.  I'm sure it's transformalbe, especially looking at the things attached to its arm.  Looks like it can be a small cockpit, kinda like ZZ's cannon.  And yeah the pics weren't good but at least they're something.  And the pic of Freedom at the end of the credits, is that Nu Freedom?  I thought that it looked different but I just thought it was the shadow and such, but the back wings had those thrusters...or maybe I'm wrong.  Too bad the Nu has different rail cannons on it's side.  It looks more like a pair of beam rifles (well based on what I can make out).
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 21, 2005, 11:13:38 AM
The new MS certainly look nice... here's to Stella being the pilot of the Colossus... At least 22 had some more information on the 3 EA pilots... the whole no memory thing is just like Four once again, so Stella does not remember, although you KNOW she will later. But, at least we all know 23 should be eye candy, like saving it for the past 4 episodes then release it and remind us all why we like the series in the first place. ^^;; I rather liked Freedom's entrance, and I do figure its because Kira did not want the whole fleet to die in one swift move. Maybe he'll still kill, but he just wants it to be on a more one on one basis? No tricks, ya know? *shrug* I guess we'll find out next week. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on March 22, 2005, 02:42:58 PM
I just watched 22 and I say it was interesting how Kira shoots the poistion beam and flys out. A little dull but interesting... It's going to be kinda sad how Heine is going to die in a couple of episodes... He seems like a really good guy on the team. But I hope 23 has alot of action and fighting in it since it's been a long while.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on March 22, 2005, 07:21:46 PM
Things we could expect........

- Cags trying to talk down the ORB forces
- Shinn gets pwned (finally)
- The three no memory dudes will get a whipping they would want to 4get


Well that is on my episode 23 wishlist
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 22, 2005, 07:28:44 PM
well my speculations:

Shinn will still be an ass, and maybe remembers his sister because of Freedom.

Freedom will kick ass (hoping it's shinn's ass)

And Hein will die (or was it next ep?)

and FREEDOM will finally do SOMETHING!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 22, 2005, 09:50:55 PM
A little more thought on the Colossus Gundam... I think Sting and Auel might somehow get out of the picture, seperated or killed... cause how else would they choose Stellar to pilot it? She is the most questionable of the 3... or perhaps since she is so powerful when she goes berserk it was in their best intrest to chose her? If she does NOT pilot it, I'll scream bull shit and be angry for the rest of the series. <<

Perhaps, much like the Psycho Gundam, they will be able to keep her "focused" by transmitting things into her mind... <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on March 26, 2005, 05:04:38 PM
OMFG 71k32 GSD epasoda 223 was hotz... lol

Sorry......  Yeah 23 had to be the best episode of the series by far.  This should be the turning point for Athrun and the crew of the Minerva.  They should now be aware of 2 major entities that could sink them.  EAF alliance of course and Archangel (if they cross them the wrong way).  I use to be upset that Archangel wasn't more involved but now I see why.  They could get that godlike status if they don't show up every episode.  Kira just seems to be even scarier if you noticed there was no wasted motion from him.  Unlike AThrun and Shinn who just seems to fire their blasters like there is no tomorrow.

Seems like episode 24 is going to slow things down again.  I would love to see where this is going.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 27, 2005, 12:25:44 PM
OMG Kira kicked serious ass!!  I guess he was just THAT GOOD to fight all those guys without killing.  Shinn's ego should drop down a few pegs...he didn't even have time to react.  Damn, can't believe one MS could fight against 2 fleets and without any trouble.  Though Heine went out in a crappy way...just got hot headed too noticed the situation.  And yes...I'm sure he didn't survive getting cut in half...so I doubt he'll be returning.  I guess his role was just to complicate things more between Kira, Athrun, and Shinn.  I wonder what the Destroy Gundam will look like.  It sounds too powerful to me.  And I also think it's funny that the GSD characters became the top favorite characters...Kira and Athrun beat out Char and Amuro for #1 and #2.

ADD ON: This has nothing to do with GSD, but I thought it was funny that on Robot Chicken (if you don't watch this show, then you should check it out on Cartoon Network!!) they were doing a Teen Titans parody and they were wearing armors clearly made from the gundam models.  I thought it was funny...guess that shows what a Gundam-tard I am :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 27, 2005, 10:06:31 PM
Nice going Kira! Way to prove that the ol' Freedom can still kick some serious ass! hehe.  :)

Anyway I thought it was a great episode, a very nice break from the usual trend the show has had lately. Man is this series(as with it's predecessor) gruesome with it's deaths, but that also adds realism since a lot of the time mobile suits just blow up and you can barely even take the time to realize a human just died..but when they show what actually happens to the pilot it makes it hit you a lot harder which I think is a cool touch(it's a shame Cartoon Network viewers miss out on this). I'm guessing Heines only purpose was to cause friction between Kira and the Minerva pilots with his death, because it's hard for the viewer to really care about such a under developed character's death. And just as you FINALLY see the Gouf Ignite fight, "poof" gone. Ah well, it wasn't anyones fault except Heines carelessness anyway and it was Stellar who killed him. And I'm not surprised about the poll results, when Gundam Seed aired it beat out pretty much everything else too.

Dammit, too bad I missed Robot Chicken tonight, I'll catch it on the second run later tonight.  :P And really my only thoughts on the Destroy Gundam are(since there is no picture)"couldn't they come up with a better name?".  V_V

And who knows, maybe Heine could come back, remember that character "Loveless" from the Wild Wild West? Hell, if they can make viewers believe that was possible in the 1860's, I'm sure they can manage it in the Cosmic Era.  ::)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on March 28, 2005, 01:48:50 AM
i said this on another forum before, but i guess i'll say it here also.  Kira owns everyone, sorry athrun u2, although ur a very close second behind him.  Also i dont think newtype can do nething to kira (especially when he goes into seed mode) either unless they had the bit suits to control then they would have a chance, but we saw what kira beat providence in the first season so i think kira is the best hahaha.  Throughout the episode, especially towards the end i was like going in my head dont f**k w/ kira, heh lol.  I do think if athrun had a suit w/ neutron jammer canceller he can pretty much be kira's equal, its just kira's ms is so balanced and powerful. 

Also i wonder if ne of u guys noticed who the voice actor for heine was?  I do heh.  Its TM revolution.  He also did the voice for miguel in the first season, so i guess there is no surprise that the character he was voice acting died quickly.  Just thought it was interesting info.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on March 28, 2005, 06:13:45 AM
equal?  Athrun doesn't have have the drive to shine Kira's shoes.  Look at how Athrun fights most of the time its him just transforming and flying around.  We see him shooting his gun and he never hits anything.  Athrun at this point isn't a close second more like a distant second.  At this point in the game Kira has something he is fighting for a cause to defend.  Athrun is doesn't even know what he is doing so you could tell by the way he is fighting right now.  Dispite the fact that Freedom is the strongest MS in the show at the moment Kira is just efficient at what he does.  As I said before there is absolutely no wasted motion from Kira.

Yeah my friend gave me the heads up on Hiene's VA.

edit:  After reading some bad spoilers (bad in the fact that they made no sense) seems like Shinn is #2 pilot.  The fact that he will pilot Destiny is proof enough.  Destiny will be Nuclear powered as well but that is where things get hazy. XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on March 28, 2005, 04:10:51 PM
well i will say shinn is #2 when he basically almost kills kira.  cuz athrun basically killed kira in the first season, kira was lucky he survived.  So basically athrun is #2 because he has control of his emotions and when he goes seed he's almost as good as kira.  Plus when he had justice he was savage, so maybe it's the mobile suit, but no doubt kira is the best.  Personally shinn is only strong cuz he uses the rage from his family's death as a source of strength.  Athrun is pretty much stuck fighting kind of like he's obligated, so if he fights for something he wants then i think he would be nuts.  Also even if shinn had destiny i say kira still kicks his ass.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 29, 2005, 08:37:26 AM
Yeah, 23 was pretty damn cool... too bad for Heine, although it was cool he had that Ramba Ral type quote when he first started fighting in the Gouf... nice touch.

Indeed, Kira kicked major ass, he stopped everyone we've been watching for the last 22 episodes, fighting and not really landing many hits on either side... he comes through and takes at least a limb off everyone's MS besides Ahtrun's. Crazy Kira. The aftermath of this should be interesting too, so I'm looking forward to 24. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on March 30, 2005, 01:34:59 PM
Shinn will be #2 soon enough.  Athrun did whatever he did in the first season.  I dont even see him getting close to Kira (in skill) again.  Kira is the supreme coordinator for a reason. ;)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 30, 2005, 02:47:42 PM
I can't believe I didn't really notice this before, but when Heine died a picture of him was shown over the Gouf Ignite exploding. This was done several times in Z, ZZ, and even CCA (I think when Quess and Chan die but I'm not sure), it usually meant that that persons death was significant to the main character's newtype powers manifesting and that they would aid them later on(usually with the Bio Sensor located in both the Zeta and ZZ). I wonder if it means anything here, only time will tell I suppose. But it is interesting to note that they were mostly girls when this happened in UC.  hehe, T.M. Revolution you big lady.

Anyway, I just thought I'd point out another similarity this series shares with Zeta.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on March 30, 2005, 08:35:47 PM
I'm still a bit confused about the pic they showed during the first recap ep with Heine where he was standing with Athrun, Yzack, Dearka, and that other guy in red uniforms, which makes me think that they graduated the elite school together.  Yet when Athrun and Heine meet they act like strangers =/
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on March 30, 2005, 08:39:31 PM
Has anyone heard the clips of the 3rd OP and ED?  It doesn't sound all that great imo.  Well the OP sounds ok, but not as good as the first two, but the ED just doen't seem to belong in a Gundam series.  Well I could be wrong, I didn't like the last ED to Seed at first, but I grew to like it.  If you want to hear the clips, just search Gunota.  The OP has just been posted...the ED is there somewhere.  And it's funny, my friend usually comes over for an anime day every now and then.  At this time it would be GSD, but I told her that I don't really feel like watching the past 10 ep again so soon.  I don't think I can sit through a marathon of those ep anytime soon :P

Damn it!  You posted right when I was about to post, so now I have to comment on that too.  Yeah, the pic confused me too.  I thought they were friends too, but maybe it's just one of those class pics where you don't really know the other people....  Or maybe it was just like an easter egg for the viewers... or maybe they just forgot about it...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 30, 2005, 11:23:38 PM
The person in the picture was Rusty Mackenzie, whose face is never shown in the series and dies in the first episode. His face appears in the specials and manga but still has no lines, he was meant to steal the Strike Gundam but was killed in that gun fight that took place in the hangar. Also in the episode where Athrun, Yzack, and Dearka visit the cemetery, Rusty's is one of the graves they visit along with Nicol and Miguel.

As for the OP and ED, I didn't really like either of them all that much and think their only purpose is for crappy idols(not always crappy of course) to cash in on Gundam's popularity and advertise their singles.  :-\ With that said, despite being shameless plugging I do usually like the Gundam Seed themes, the only one in Seed i disliked were the 2nd OP(that duet one, ick.. :-X) and 3rd ED. I do think the orchestrated music in the show is the best though, I always find myself humming my various favorites.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 03, 2005, 01:18:33 PM
ok why was there an onsen inside the archangel?!  That was just there for fanservice...  Still interesting development.  Finally things are starting to happen.  I'm hoping Lunamaria doesn't die towards the end.  And I guess it would make some sense if Rey was a clone of Kruuze...though I hope they are more creative than that.  Or else there's just clones everywhere...attack of the clones...oh wait wrong story.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on April 03, 2005, 02:24:49 PM
The onsen was inside the archangel?! I thought they stepped outside somewhere and used one... I couldn't understand most of the episode since it was RAW. I'm guessing when Kira and Athrun were talking, the agreed to have Freedom locked away forever, never to be used again, but it was unlocked because of the attack at their residence.
Lunamaria is a stalker! And Rey looked like he was having a heart attack...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on April 03, 2005, 08:29:05 PM
ok why was there an onsen inside the archangel?! 

Because they were planning on turning it into a cruise line of course.  ::)

When they said the Archangel intervening caused "unnecessary casualties", did they just mean when Kira blew up the positron cannon? Otherwise how could them preventing deaths end up making more than if they had let the battle go on it's own? I'd think more would have died if Shinn and Arthrun continued killing mobile suits rather than Kira just disarming them. Or does the Minerva just care about themselves, boo hoo some of you actually died for once, thats war face reality and get over it.  And Kira had no contribution to Heine's death, it was Heine's carelessness so I don't understand why Arthrun's nickers are in a twist about it.

One thing I found interesting was Arthrun's mention of Dearka to Miriallia, it seemed to piss her off. It was hinted in the last series that there was something between them, but it was never really developed, I wonder what happened between the last series and this one. The end however was the best part and also very relevant to the story and maybe now it will really start going somewhere, I can't wait.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on April 04, 2005, 12:05:06 AM
Yeah, that was a fantastic information episode... very nice. Its good that Ahtrun, Kira, and co are all kind of on the same page now, even though they have all leaned in different directions already, so they can't just say "Ok, lets all go back to the Archangel and chill till this is over in their very surprisingly nice onsen." ^^;; Oh well, good episode, can't wait till next week. ^_^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 04, 2005, 11:19:08 AM
Yes, that indeed was a very good info episode.  I had the same thoughts as Kairu about the preventing death issue.  And yeah Heine went out like an idiot.  Considering he was a ace pilot...he sure lost his head easily.  And I was wondering if they were going to show the flashback with Nichol again...and sure enough...there it was.  I want to see the next ep, but it might not be what I expect it to be.  I want it to be like the the ep in Seed when Kira found out about his birth, but I think the next ep just might be another filler battle from what I've read.  And about the onsen (not that I mind seeing Lacus semi nude :P) but if the archangel were to be in a big battle and had to so some fancy flying...wouldn't the water just be wasted...just a thought on the functionality of an onsen inside a BATTLE SHIP!!  I wonder what room that used to be...the original bathroom maybe?  And have you noticed that other than the people in the control room, there's no other people on board.  So I guess they had extra space.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on April 07, 2005, 06:07:26 AM
yeah Archangel is pretty much automated so I guess they changed some berthing spaces around. :)  I don't think 24 is a filler I've read a few things saying that it should be good.  Well its going to lead into something thats good.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 07, 2005, 09:00:14 AM
Just checked out Gunota, looks like some familiar gundams are coming back upgraded.  And I'm not talking about the Nu Freedom.  Also some spoiler for Stella, which I already foreseen.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on April 08, 2005, 10:23:58 AM
A little obvious ne?  ::)  Damn I want to see the specs on Nu Freedom.  I have to find out if it is an upgrade or a downgrade (like I actually think it is).
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on April 08, 2005, 03:40:04 PM
Or it could be exactly the same, just look different enough to sell more model kits. And we will buy them. ^^;;;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 08, 2005, 05:29:16 PM
well I doubt it will be a downgrade...who would do that?!  But from the pics, at least Nu Freedom will have different wings than the original.  Looks like minor changes but enough for me to buy the new model :P  The new Justice I don't know.  I didn't really like Justice all that much.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on April 09, 2005, 10:48:51 AM
http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/destin3.jpg
AHH! Now there are Doms in Destiny! And a Gouf with the original color scheme! Damn, they just don't quit do they? ^^; They have several more pictures from the new opening at Gunota, many that provide spoilers(but they were obvious anyway).

One thing that dissapoints me is the new Freedom(seeing decent pictures for the first time) looks almost exactly like the old one minus some spots with gold here and there, maybe they did make it just for an excuse to make a new model...heh not saying I still wouldn't buy it. >_>
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on April 09, 2005, 11:57:24 AM
Hell, those Doms look like they would be in the Black Tri-Star setup even. << Has Sunrise finally just lost all creativity? WTF? But, it could be cool to watch them fight anyway... SEED and Destiny are much more fast paced than MSG... it should be cool no matter what. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 09, 2005, 05:11:17 PM
Wow those new pics got me interested.  First off, Nu Freedom...other than the touch of gold on the joints and in the hands (Gold Finger!!!), it looks like it's carry the Twin Buster Rifle!!  And yeah, when the model comes out, I'll buy it :P  I also liked how Freedom replaced Impulse or Destiny in the title.  Second comment, why is Cagali in her undies?!  And...well look at that...more ms from the UC series...oh well...I guess they save money on the model cast like that.  Looks like most of the hunches were right.  Stellar, "extended", and Collosus Gundam and all.  Now the question I still have is...is Neo a clone or did Mwu actually survived that explosion...in space...without his helmet...or remains.  Rey is probably some kind genetic copy of Neo or Kruuze.  But HELL YEAH I want to see it!!!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on April 09, 2005, 07:00:46 PM
When I say a downgrade, it just that I've read a couple spoilers and I hope they aren't true.  Yeah the second intro shows alot and leaves alot up to imagination.  but the preview for episode 26 was really promising. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 10, 2005, 11:34:55 AM
Yeah 25 was pretty good.  Though I think the intro was probably the best thing in it.  After seeing it more closely, I think I can presume a lot more.  Like the whole Neo being clone or not.  I don't think he is.  When he appears in the title, he has all these scars on him.  So my guess is that he was somehow rescued by the Chairman.  How he survived I can't guess.  Nu Freedom looks like it has the Buster's weapon.  I also like how they go back and explain some of the things that were left out in the last series.  The last few episodes renewed my fate in this series :)  BTW, wasn't the new intro suppose to be in the next ep?  They usually do it after every 13 episodes.  Speaking of which, the song...I dunno about that.  It's alright I guess, but compared to the last two, this one seems less thrilling.  But it's starting to grow on me.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on April 10, 2005, 12:42:22 PM
yeah the best part was the intro.  New Freedom looks good but back to what I was saying ealier I'm wondering if its still Nuclear powered.  ???  Either way Kira's skill should suffice I guess. The next episode it looks like Freedom is going to raise hell again. 

*spoiler* Lacus should be going to Plant I think to talk the Chairman (whom I don't trust still we will see till the end*spoiler*

From the intro are they saying Luna and Shinn?  ???

edit: I stand corrected yet again.  New Freedom is an upgrade a huge upgrade a matter a fact.  Gunota posted a small little blog about it. Does Kira really pilot this thing?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 10, 2005, 02:37:27 PM
That's what I was thinking.  I mean Luna has to go somewhere...but Shinn has Stellar?  Or it could just be her supporting him since she is older than him.  Btw, Jais pointed this out.  Based on the picture of Super Freedom (I liked Nu better, but I'll have to go by the official name now...) it looks like they pretty much just ripped off all the good parts of other series and stuck them onto it.  It looks like the features are chest cannon, twin buster rifle type gun that can be combined into one like Wing 0 + Buster, and possibly...Godfinger?!  Supposedly the gold parts boost up the performance.  Damn, as if the original didn't already have enough fire power.  We're talking like 7 mega cannons!!  If it gets METEOR back, that would pretty much end the war :P  I wonder how the the new Justice is going to be.  Oh and sounds like ep 29 is another recap.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on April 11, 2005, 09:01:34 AM
That's what I was thinking.  I mean Luna has to go somewhere...but Shinn has Stellar?  Or it could just be her supporting him since she is older than him. 

I'm thinking Stellar will have to die within the next 10 eps... if they follow Four's path, which so far they are... THEN maybe they'll be something between him and Luna... I mean just look at Kamille after Four died... there were still other women around him, making for the last scene in Zeta where everyone helps him to beat The O...

Anyway, I didn't think 25 was as good as 24, but it was pretty good... I don't like the opening, and while I might get used to it, it will never be as good as the first 2.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on April 11, 2005, 07:49:30 PM
I actually like Luna and I hope she gets someone..... anyone. XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 17, 2005, 10:50:42 AM
Well it's time for my weekly gsd post again.  This ep was pretty much what I was expecting.  Just developing Shinn and Stellar, and moving the plot along with Lacus.  Though I think they're starting to show Mia's real personality and the real reason why she's pretending to be Lacus.  I'm still waiting her to snap and have an identity crisis :P  I'm also glad that for the first time in a while, they finally show some new MS that wasn't in MSG.  The Babi I think it's called...though they are ugly.  One thing that's was in my mind when Lacus said her parting words to Kira...I was like "omg she's going to die!?"  Everytime some character says "I will return to you" they usually die, but I seriously doubt that they will kill her unless this show is going to turn Zeta dark.  And yes, I'm somewhat of a Lacus fanboy :P  And lastly, what's up with the ending?!  It's like some alternate mega happy ending!  Everyone is all hanging out and smiling...both sides acting like they're at one big pinic.  Flay was in them!!  I'm also still pondering the exact relationship between Kira and Lacus.  The OP and ED shows that they're a couple, but I still haven't seen anything like that yet.  Are they just trying to force it on us, and will it finally have some closure!?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on April 19, 2005, 08:04:03 AM
I never even posted for ep. 25 yet, so I'll get to that first. Well the whole time they were in the lab all I could think of was Resident Evil for some reason, it just had that creepy vibe to it. I really don't have much else to say about the episode, since it has been a while since I have watched it. But the new opening definitely has to provide some look into the future(I didn't like the song though), and I'm almost sure now that Neo=Mwu. The Super Freedom looked pretty spiffy in action though, I like it more now.

Now on to episode 26, I'm going to do this in segments because I'm in a hurry
-Kira and Lacus relationship issue: I have noticed this too, that other than hugging and holding(in this episode Kira puts his arm around her) eachother they never really do much in public, but it's obvious they are obsessed with eachother. On the same note, why is Mia always with Arthrun in the openings instead of Cagalli? This bothers me in a way, since Mia bothers me ALOT.
-Stellar: I'm guessing she will die soon and then Shinn will just move on and possibly be with Lunamaria, if she is infact the "Four" of this series. Now I like her character I guess but she has to just shut up sometimes! She screamed through a huge portion of the episode, I'm surprised my parents didn't think I was watching some violent hentai rape. :P
-New Ending: Not fond of the imagery, and not anymore fond of the song. This is war, not "Supa Happy Mecha Fun Fun Picnic Time!", be angsty like you usually are Seed.  ::) Although, there was a Gundam next to S Freedom and Destiny, was that the Justice 2 gunota has been talking about?  ???
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: IllusionPanda on April 22, 2005, 04:58:17 PM
-Stellar: I'm guessing she will die soon and then Shinn will just move on and possibly be with Lunamaria, if she is infact the "Four" of this series. Now I like her character I guess but she has to just shut up sometimes! She screamed through a huge portion of the episode, I'm surprised my parents didn't think I was watching some violent hentai rape. :P

I dun think Stellar's going to die since she appears to be fighting against Shinn and Kira in the third opening where this moble suit that resembles providence kinda. She might return to earth forces well w/e the case she seems to fight shinn, looks like their relationship might not work out if there gonna fight each other i mean.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on April 22, 2005, 05:50:46 PM
-Stellar: I'm guessing she will die soon and then Shinn will just move on and possibly be with Lunamaria, if she is infact the "Four" of this series. Now I like her character I guess but she has to just shut up sometimes! She screamed through a huge portion of the episode, I'm surprised my parents didn't think I was watching some violent hentai rape. :P

I dun think Stellar's going to die since she appears to be fighting against Shinn and Kira in the third opening where this moble suit that resembles providence kinda. She might return to earth forces well w/e the case she seems to fight shinn, looks like their relationship might not work out if there gonna fight each other i mean.

Thats when I was expecting her to die. >>
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on April 23, 2005, 05:55:38 AM
Well I highly doubt anything would get inbetween Kira and Lacus (maybe death lol).  Unlike (useless) Athrun and what he did to Cags, Kira is better in every sense of the word.  BTW I know the reason why Cags doesn't really appear in the opening with Athrun. :)

We will see either in this episode or the next one.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on April 23, 2005, 11:50:27 AM
hmm...I'm actually not sure what you're implying about Athrun and Cag.  And yeah, I'm also expecting Stellar to die since it seems to fit in with the plot, but I wouldn't be surprised if she lived either.  When they do the semi transparent main characters coming together in the intro, they usually live.  But enough of that.  Let's talk about the new MS.  First of, I don't know why they're making the different color joints on the Super Freedom and Knight Justice seem like that's the main upgrade.  That's still bothering me.  As for Destiny, well it kind of have the god finger...the Palm Beam Cannon.  Destroy has fingertip beam cannon.  They're just sticking beam cannons everywhere now a days.  And the Destroy just seems a bit too much.  It's like the entire thing is a walking beam cannon.  I guess that's why they call it Destroy Gundam.  And of course it's still going to lose...  Ah whatever, I'll still buy the model of it when it comes out...gold/silver joints and all :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 01, 2005, 01:32:47 PM
Yes I realize that I'm double posting, but how can I no post something after that intense episode?!  Now this is the kind of episode that we were all hoping for.  I was really surprised that Auel died like that.  Actually I was surprised he died this early.  And when Lunamaria was caught in the explosion, I was like "Did they just killed Luna!!!"...well let's just say I was relieved to see her alive.  I also thought that this was going to be the fight between Shinn and Kira that we've been wating for, but I guess that'll have to wait a bit.  But I like how they're doing the whole Kira vs Athrun once again.  Though it was kinda over the top when he sliced the Savior (and Chaos) to pieces.  So I wonder if this is the last time we'll see Savior, if it is, it didn't do much.  I'm loving the conflicts that each party is having.  One person would be against another party, but still have some sort of attachment of some kind while yet another group is causing even more problems.  I'm really anxious to see how this series will play out now.

Add on: ok the new official names for the Freedom and Justice are Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice.  Strike Freedom?!  Wouldn't "Eternal Freedom" sound better with Infinite Justice?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 02, 2005, 08:16:38 PM
I just caught up by watching the last 3 eps... although i don't really have much to say, as you guys pretty much covered everything... I also did not like how the Justice and Abyss were just completely chopped into pieces with one slice of the beam saber, it was just weird looking. <<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 04, 2005, 04:23:07 AM
Actually Saviour took about 3 slashes Judau. ;)  Abyss in one strike was pretty weird I admit.  Well Athrun needs to figure out where he stands in this conflict.  He is still too naive to be giving any kind of insight to anyone right now. 

Yeah I heard about the new names as well its a vast improvement from "Super Freedom". XD

Well next time they visit the scene of the crime remember Shin, Cags and Kira are the only active MS's from the whole engagement.  On top of that Shinn is still in Berserk bound to do some damage to both Kira and Cags.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 04, 2005, 12:36:32 PM
Actually Saviour took about 3 slashes Judau. ;)

It was still rediculous... especially since it was Athrun... given he was not currently in Seed mode, he still should have been able to do a little better than just sit there and have Kira dice up his Gundam... it was "unrealistic", if there is such a thing in Gundam. ^^;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 04, 2005, 02:20:16 PM
Well in this series, they have made Kira into even more of a god.  As it stands now, no one is capable of matching his skills, not even Athrun.  I'm sure they'll make it where his skills or the other pilots are more even out, even though it probably won't be consistent.  What makes even more unreal is that Kira is the pilot who has seen the least amount of action in the gap between Seed and Destiny.  Just imagine what he can do in the new Freedom.  That thing has blasters galore.  And speaking of the new MS, what's up with the new Justice?  It's has gotten skinnier and its legs look almost like they're inverted.  Though that doesn't mean I'm not getting the model for it.  Speaking of which, I got my Gunner Zaku and Blaze Zaku Phantom yesterday.  The 1/100s are getting beter and better each time.  They're making the shoulder joints closer to the MG.  It's cool :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 04, 2005, 05:12:19 PM

It was still ridiculous... especially since it was Athrun... given he was not currently in Seed mode, he still should have been able to do a little better than just sit there and have Kira dice up his Gundam... it was "unrealistic", if there is such a thing in Gundam. ^^;;

Not really.  Here is why I believe it was soo easy for Kira to do what he did.  Athrun still doesn't know what his role is.  Right before he got pwn if you look at his facial expression he was shocked from the speech Kira gave and the fact that he said "then I will shoot you".  Kira drew a line in the sand and said he is going to defend his foolish sister no matter what.  Really Athrun should be the one standing by his fiance but he doesn't know what he is doing yet.  He is still blaming everything on EAF right now and that is what was going on in the first half of SEED.  Remember Athrun didn't get good until he knew what he was doing for sure. ;)  In the next couple of episode when He finds out that Gilbert isn't as squeaky clean as he thought and Shinn's improvement in skill............   Maybe then Athrun would return to his old form.  But think about it what has Athrun done with Savior?  He should be able to do everything that Kira is suppose to do. 

When he finds his true path he will find his strength.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 04, 2005, 07:12:59 PM
Alright, well overall everyone knows the whole reason that Kira really destroyed the Gundam... and whatever the carnage may be in the next episode... Bandai wants money. That's it... we can't over think this too much. ^^;;;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 04, 2005, 07:44:12 PM
I disagree bro. This series has more of a dark fell to it, the story is a little more advanced than most Gundam series.  Though the ultimate objective is to make $$$$ lol XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 04, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
I disagree bro. This series has more of a dark fell to it, the story is a little more advanced than most Gundam series.  Though the ultimate objective is to make $$$$ lol XD

They had NO reason to completely destroy 3 of the main Gundams pretty much at the same time (plus the Abyss, which will not get replaced since he died) just to replace them. This has money written all over it. And what about that Gouf Ignite that died in its first battle? I think they are straying from that oh so wonderful plot of Zeta just to add more suits. Given the Zeta bad guys just seem to keep coming, but that is because they were not Gundams... in SEED Destiny its Gundam vs Gundam... its rediculous. There will be no Gundams from the beginning left at the end at this rate. Even Zeta Gundam ended with the Mk.II, Zeta Gundam (which came in around ep.21), most of the G-Defensor, some of the HyakuShiki (enough to fix it, I guess), etc...

I mean, Freedom is already good, why the hell does he need another? Because its too old, Bandai want a new top suit to make money off of. Why did Bandai choose to give the Impulse 3 versions? Money. They barely used the Sword and Blast Impulses (thus the overuse in the last ep, methinks). Why is that? Its gonna blow soon. And I still think Saviour went down way too easily for how sophisticated that thing must have been. It was specially created for the hero of the last war, and in general, should have been much better than Justice (which in general was on par with Freedom).

In the past, Gundams were not thrown around like this, constantly blowing up to have to get a NEWER, BETTER model, just to add another to the list to buy as a 1/100. I mean, of the "main Gundams", 0079 had 1, Zeta had 2 (and the first was still around), ZZ they kept the last two from Zeta throughout and got 1 new one, Victory had 2 (given they were mass produced times infinite for the use by 3 pilots ^^;; ), Turn 'A' has 1, etc...

At this point, if you combined the Gundams (not even just MS) used in SEED and Destiny, how many do you have? How many pilots for these? Its nuts. I am not against it, I am just saying, Bandai makes these series for money and selling models, not the story. The story just has to be good enough to keep the fans happy.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 05, 2005, 06:07:58 AM
Though useless characters (like Stinky sting and Auel) are doomed to death no matter what they pilot. 

Savior was suppose to be for the hero of the last war but it wasn't anything special.  I'll quote a post from another board:
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Savior was like a MS perfect for running. Thats all that athrun did. He kept transforming into MA and run away... Bad pilot. youd think hed actually fight and shoot once in a while. And he did shit when Kira came to him to take out his Savior. I mean, wtf, if that was a real battel Athrun would be dead like hiene.
though the battle at Longrien Gate was an exception.  But he did nothing against the stolen Gs.

Yeah in the end everything is about $$.  Though its not like there is just senseless distruction.  28 episodes for that stolen G to last is long compared to Seed.  Plus Impulse and Freedom will last for about 30 episodes until they get wrecked. lol  GSD is extremely popular so if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 05, 2005, 11:01:11 AM
GSD is extremely popular so if it ain't broke don't fix it.

But see, I disagree. I like how they are trying to tie in the newest AUs with UC in its plot idea and many of the designs, but it still does not compare due to it's Gundam Wingness that is mass number of Gundams that are God's except to other Gundams. This can be fixed, but they won't, since it will cut their number of models in half. I like Destiny, but it will NEVER come close to Zeta if that's how they want to run the show. And I for one, someone who really only buys MGs and PGs at this point... with some exceptions, will not be buying most of the kits they have to offer. I'll stick with the MGs. Because if you think about it, what SEED kits get MG treatment? The ones that should have been around longer, the main ones. Although, I would add in Justice... I am surprised they have not made that yet.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 05, 2005, 02:49:48 PM
oo yeah from the perspective of us older viewers there are things that are wrong with GSD.  There are series that we feel are better for me its stardust memory.  I've always been one for short series.

But the introduction/upgrades of Gs really isn't unrealistic.  You know the Navy is always developing new classes of ships every year right?  The M -16 has been modified so many times.  Its just that in this show their production curve is sooo advanced that it seems like the next day (episode) there is a new Gundam.  :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 06, 2005, 12:40:33 PM
IMO, I would have to side with Judau on this.  For the sake of the story, they didn't have to totally destroy a Gundam, especially given who the pilot was.  Most of the AU, especially Wing and Seed, really push out the new MS.  Don't get me wrong, I love the Seed series, especially GSD since its Zeta-esque story is developing quite nicely.  But even I, who buys most of the 1/100 models, would have to agree that it's just too many suits.  I mean yes, it does keep the newer generation of viewers interested, but considering how powerful the Gundams are in this series, they sure went down easily and conviently at that.  Like the Abyss went down just like that.  I didn't even see it coming.  And of couse the Savior went down for the sake of Infinte Justice, but now who the hell is going to bring down Freedom...?  Of course it's going to be Shinn, even though at his current level there's no chance in hell that would actually happen.  But hey, they need some way of bringing Strike Freedom out. 

And to comment on Grahf's statement, yes the production curve is high, but have you noticed that it's mostly the Gundams that get's replaced (and only one of each)?  You don't see the troops getting newer powerful MS.  The Murasame and Windam are getting old (28 eps old).  And I'll reserved comments on the Gouf and Doms till I see them in action...aka random exploding MS.  I mean if they're going to upgrade their army, why not just produce a bunch of Impulses?  That's why I liked V Gundam.  It wasn't just one, hell the entire team had one...and they still died one by one.  Anyway, I'm starting to rant so I'll end my comments here.  Plus I have to finish my two Zaku models :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 10, 2005, 06:55:23 PM
We all made bad assumptions . lol  Its seems as though Impulse and Freedom will be around a little longer.  Savior as well. ;)

I don't see what you guys are saying.  I know that the destruction of a gundam is big.  But it has nothing to do with the story (if there is one to begin with). lol  XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on May 12, 2005, 12:09:51 PM
It's really ashame how this series is going the way of the Wing, the Gundams are just too many and the battles involving them are plain boring. All they do it run/fly around and shoot and miss eachother, and they've done it so many times, it's just boring. And Gundams fighting anything else is boring too, since anything under a Gundam in this series is cannon fodder. I have basically given up on the fighting and mech aspect of this show, so the story and character development better deliver. I mean episode 28 was good, but too much senseless stuff happened, I can overlook Auel's death because I never liked him and liked his Gundam even less. But Saviour was a mobile suit just made and they want me to believe one made 2 fucking years ago destroyed it so easily? I don't care if it is Freedom and it's Pilot is Kira, thats just too unrealistic for me. And episode 29 was basically a clip show, which I'm getting effing tired of. Well enough ranting....

I usually just stick to UC models, but I do want all the ones from Seed because I liked them. I don't however like most of the ones in this series, the only 1/100's I plan on getting are Force Impulse Gundam and Rey's Zaku Phantom, anything else I'll get HG's or just skip. If a toy company wants to ruin the future of my favorite series just for a buck, then I want no part of it. I swear, Gundam is turning into a 25 minute commercial... T_T
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 12, 2005, 05:13:43 PM
But Saviour was a mobile suit just made and they want me to believe one made 2 fucking years ago destroyed it so easily? I don't care if it is Freedom and it's Pilot is Kira, thats just too unrealistic for me.

Ever seen Initial D? XP  It doesn't matter what you "drive" its how you "drive it".
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on May 13, 2005, 09:12:49 PM
Freedom, despite being made two years ago, it still vastly more powerful than the new line of suits (Saviour and Impluse included) because they're all still battery-based while Freedom is nuclear. Remember, N-Jammer Cancellers were banned by the treaty that ended the war.

What bothers me about Saviour getting trashed by Freedom is the pilots: Kira and Athrun were at near the same level at the end of the last war, yet Athrun was taken apart by Kira on his third time out in two years. Sure Freedom is more powerful, but that was pitiful.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 14, 2005, 10:27:53 AM
I'll just comment a little since most things I wanted to say have already been said.  Yes, Freedom is supposedly stronger, but still Athrun should have been able to at least fight back a little before getting chopped up.  And I agree that the battles are getting boring, unless it's the big main gundam fighting each other.  But the battles have always been like that, even in the UC series.  It's just that there are flashier weapons...and sometimes less/no emotions involved.  Though I didn't like how three gundams fell in one episode.  As for ep 29, the clip show parts aside, didn't reveal anything we didn't already figured out. 

As for the models, they are really pushing it now more than ever.  A few series back, they usually release the 144 and 100 of the main gundams then if one was really popular, then they'll do a MG and PG, but now even the PGs are everywhere.  Just the fact that they are releasing PG Launcher and Sword is already too much.  PG are suppose to be reserved for the special units.  I'll still buy the 1/100 for GSD (including the Abyss even though I don't like how it looked) since I already started the collection.  But I'm not going to buy all the Zakus that they plan to release.  Destiny Gundam is a must...cuz the model does look cool.  They'll probably release the MG version of Impulse, Destiny, and Strike Freedom too.  So I guess the 25 min commercials are having effects on me still.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: cccnnn on May 15, 2005, 09:09:46 AM
Um... about the Freedom trashing Savior:

Kira was in seed mode.  Athrun wasn't.  Remember, back when Athrun fought Kira evenly in GS was when they were BOTH in seed mode.

Athrun got what he deserved for being such a ZAFT sellout.  I don't feel sorry for him one bit...where was he when Shinn was firing rockets at Cagalli? That's right, sellouts get the justice they deserve (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on May 19, 2005, 04:20:31 AM
Showing that Savior being trashed; I think is a sign that Athrun will get his new gundam, Infinite Justice. Then Athrun will come back with Infinite Justice and trash Freedom. Then Kira will upgrade his Freedom to Strike Freedom(Nu-Freedom) and fight evenly with Athrun but trashes Impulse and Shinn then will get Gundam Destiny. I think that's how it'll go and I must say Infinite Justice looks better than Savior.

Why is it that Athrun always has to keep getting a transforming Gundam?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on May 19, 2005, 05:09:23 AM
Showing that Savior being trashed; I think is a sign that Athrun will get his new gundam, Infinite Justice. Then Athrun will come back with Infinite Justice and trash Freedom. Then Kira will upgrade his Freedom to Strike Freedom(Nu-Freedom) and fight evenly with Athrun but trashes Impulse and Shinn then will get Gundam Destiny. I think that's how it'll go and I must say Infinite Justice looks better than Savior.

I doubt it will happen that way... a plot like that would be WAYYYY to simplistic and predictable. You need to throw in plot twists and such :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 19, 2005, 11:34:23 AM
I think the Destiny will make an appearance before the new Freedom.  Perhaps getting trashed by Destroy.  Actually I don't think the Freedom will beaten that badly.  It probably just had to be upgraded to keep up with the other models.  My question is, why does Athrun always get the hot pink Gundams?  At the very least put some black on it jeez.  From the spoiler, I wonder if Stellar is going to die in the next couple of episodes.  If she does then the OP is somewhat misleading.  Hmm how bout this for a plot twist...Lacus is revealed to be really a man, so Kira gets distracted and loses to Shin/Athrun thus leading him to getting Strike Freedom :P  Big enough twist for you? :P God I hope that doesn't happen like that.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 19, 2005, 12:27:27 PM
Destiny does come out before Strike Free and Infin Just because its only as powerful as Freedom.  The thing that sets Destiny apart from all the others is the speed (from what I've been lead to believe).  But Destroy probably will mess Freedom and Impulse up bad.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on May 20, 2005, 05:06:32 AM
Speaking of Destroy (not sure if this has been talked about b4, but i refuse to read through 16 pages of past posts to figure it out...) It's pretty obvious that Stellar is going to be piloting it. But then Neo promised Shinn that he will keep her off the battlefield and Neo seems like the kind who would keep that kind of promise. So how is it that Stellar ends up piloting Destroy?

Just my opinion, Neo might die soon (again).
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 20, 2005, 05:36:37 AM
Its not really up to Neo now is it?  Neo could make all the promises he wants but He is only a pawn in the grand scheme of things.  I actually think he will end up on AA soon  enough. XD

Yes he just might die soon (again). lol
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 20, 2005, 01:36:12 PM
I don't think it'll be soon that he dies, if at all.  It would be cruel to Ramius to reunite her with him just to kill him again.  Then again, they seemed to have been pushing Andy and her together...so maybe that's just a way to do that.  I wonder if Rey is going to flip out...being the clone of a clone (or something like that)...cuz you know when you make a copy of a copy it usually doesn't turn out well.  But with only 20 ep left, it should be picking up the pace real soon...and no more recap I hope.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on May 21, 2005, 09:21:26 AM
I don't think they could just kill Neo like that after all the hype that was created with him, there is still so much stuff they could do with that character and so much can be revealed. To kill him prematurely developed would just be a waste...

As I said earlier I have pretty much given up on the Mecha in this series for a while, right now I'm only interested in plot and character development, so I don't really have much of my own speculation to add...plus you guys already have covered a lot. Episode 30 was pretty good, and Stellar shut up for the most part which was nice, although she still irritated me a little. I thought the parts with Rey were cool, he has redeemed himself from the "Chairman Hug Incident", he really deserves more air time than he has been getting. I also like how this episode showed that Zaft isn't always squeaky clean either, with their not caring about Stellar and just wanting to experiment on her after she dies. Stellar is still a living creature with feelings and desire to live(she has made that painstakingly clear), they of all people should understand that better than anyone after how they were treated and accused of being mistakes that needed to be rectified.

On a side note, I finally got a Seed Destiny kit, the 1/100 Force Impulse Gundam and my is it ever spiffy. ^^ heh, they may be evil but bandai is at least putting out a good line of kits. (Looks forward to 1/100 Blaze Zaku Phantom)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on May 24, 2005, 07:01:45 AM
Just watched ep. 31 and arrrrggh >< I don't believe this. I seriously though that Neo would at least attempt to keep Shinn's promise. But nope, he just plops her into another mobile suit with no regret whatsoever.

Furthermore, he manipulates her by saying "you need to protect everything that's dearest to you." Or something along those lines.

I was hoping that he would still at least have some sense of justice, but I guess not. Did the Mwu that we've grown to love in GS seriously died in Strike when Dominion fired it's positron cannon  :'(?

btw the Neo shower scene was not nesscary >< A scene like that will permenantly scar your memory...


Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 26, 2005, 03:33:13 PM
Just watched ep. 31 and arrrrggh >< I don't believe this. I seriously though that Neo would at least attempt to keep Shinn's promise. But nope, he just plops her into another mobile suit with no regret whatsoever.

Of course not... she is still a complete tool to him. They don't even have the relationship Char and Lahla did in MSG... and he still had her pilot. Also, as GSD is a parallel to Zeta, obviously she would end up piloting Destroy.

And a little more on Destroy, now that we really get a good look at it... I am kind of disappointed. While the story line and idea behind it directly correspond to the Psycho Gundam, it doesn't really look like a monster of a Gundam, but just like the Big Zam... so its more of a mobile armor... rather than just having an MA mode like the Psycho. :( I was looking forward to the exact shot from behind the Force Impulse looking up and seeing the Destroy looking around the side of a building... guess that won't be happening. >_<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on May 26, 2005, 07:33:51 PM
Just watched ep. 31 and arrrrggh >< I don't believe this. I seriously though that Neo would at least attempt to keep Shinn's promise. But nope, he just plops her into another mobile suit with no regret whatsoever.

Of course not... she is still a complete tool to him. They don't even have the relationship Char and Lahla did in MSG... and he still had her pilot. Also, as GSD is a parallel to Zeta, obviously she would end up piloting Destroy.

And a little more on Destroy, now that we really get a good look at it... I am kind of disappointed. While the story line and idea behind it directly correspond to the Psycho Gundam, it doesn't really look like a monster of a Gundam, but just like the Big Zam... so its more of a mobile armor... rather than just having an MA mode like the Psycho. :( I was looking forward to the exact shot from behind the Force Impulse looking up and seeing the Destroy looking around the side of a building... guess that won't be happening. >_<

That was it's MA mode, it still has a MS mode, don't forget Pyscho Gundam appeared in MA form first too. ;)  Also, Neo is a tool to that guy who wears purple lipstick(don't know his name), he can't really prevent Stellar from piloting MS even if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on May 26, 2005, 09:02:39 PM
Ah, I had not heard it was also a transforable MS... ok, that should be cool then. Can't wait for the next ep. ^_^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 27, 2005, 03:16:41 PM
Well ok, here are some spoilers (from Newtype I think...or at least that's what I'm told)
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1. Stellar is going to die while piloting Destroy, which is destroyed by Freedom (I think...not sure on this).  Shinn will, of course, be upset and release her body into a lake (or was it ocean)...away, kinda like FF7.

2. Later, Archangel is going to be attacked by Zaft and Minerva.  Freedom gets trashed.  (Shinn is going to beat Kira in Freedom!?)

3. Minerva gets new MS, the Destiny and the Legend.  (I'm guessing Luna and Rey will pilot Impulse and Legend)
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So there you have it.  Don't hold me to #1, I didn't personally read that spoiler.  But yeah, Destroy has a MS mode, but it doesn't matter since it's going down soon...Legend is just Providence only with even more fire power since it has 2 DRAGOON system.  Ep 32-35 should be quite entertaining...I hope.  So now will it be Shinn and Luna?  I'm actually more interested in Luna/Athrun/Mia triangle than I am with the story right now.  Too much Ichigo probably :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 27, 2005, 07:55:34 PM
Of course not... she is still a complete tool to him. They don't even have the relationship Char and Lahla did in MSG... and he still had her pilot. Also, as GSD is a parallel to Zeta, obviously she would end up piloting Destroy.

And a little more on Destroy, now that we really get a good look at it... I am kind of disappointed. While the story line and idea behind it directly correspond to the Psycho Gundam, it doesn't really look like a monster of a Gundam, but just like the Big Zam... so its more of a mobile armor... rather than just having an MA mode like the Psycho. :( I was looking forward to the exact shot from behind the Force Impulse looking up and seeing the Destroy looking around the side of a building... guess that won't be happening. >_<

Yeah exactly as I thought.  Though I've only seen up to episode 25 of Zeta the attempt (sad one at that) to copy it can be seen.  But there is more destruction of "major" Characters in Zeta than GSD so far.

Btw I think those spoilers can be taken seriously.  They just need to be confirmed visually. XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 29, 2005, 09:46:37 AM
It's episodes like this that makes GSD worth watching :)  That was a good episode.  When this series slows down, it's almost to a halt, but when it picks up, damn it's good.  I'm not sure on this, but I think Destroy is probably the most armed Gundam in history.  Yeah, it didn't move much, but who needs to move when you can pretty much destroy everything within a city radius.  What bothered me was how the Chaos went down.  Through the entire show, those mass produce units could never take down a gundam, yet those 3 Murasame were able to beat it.  Why the hell weren't these guys fighting the Gundams in previous episodes...?  Yeah yeah, the battlefield was all chaotic blah blah blah...whatever.

As for story, I kinda felt sorry for Stellar in this ep cuz she could've lived...was so close to stopping, but then she saw Freedom and all went to hell.  Now Shinn probably has another reason to hate Freedom, and thus giving him the motivation to beat it...at least that's how I'm justifying it till I see how it'll actually happen.  Is it just me, or is the Lahla moment  getting kinda old now.  I mean everytime ...another Newtype astral projection thingy... seriously.  Anyway, that's #1 on the spoiler.  #3 will happen in ep 34.  And whatever happens next has to be something of a twist (I think) to make Athrun run away from Minerva.  Or it could just be the fact that his friends on the AA was getting beat.  The pace of the show should be like this till the end.  There shouldn't be many more slow/recap episodes now. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on May 29, 2005, 05:11:26 PM
1) I don't feel sorry for Stellar or Shinn. 
2) I'm glad that Phantom pain is gone pretty much.  With the exception of Mwu errr Neo. lol  They were so poorly developed for the 32 episodes that they were around for.  I mean in Zeta some of the characters lasted 4 episodes and had better developement than Stellar and company.  I mean come on what was soo cute about stellar besided her boobs?  She never spoke a full uninterupted sentence.
3) Shinn beating Kira looks more of a reality now from his performance in that episode.  I mean he got right at Destroy when kira couldn't.  Though Kira had 3 MS to deal with. lol
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on May 29, 2005, 07:28:14 PM
I liked the episode, lotsa action there :D. But I am rather disappointed that Destroy got owned in 1 episode.

Even though Shinn might be catching up in terms of piloting skills, I still think Kira would win simply because of the superior mobile suit, I think...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Seph on May 30, 2005, 08:32:35 AM
I still find it ver weird on how Shinn got past Destroy's defenses so easily, when Kira couldn't even dent it at first.  Some sort of conspiracy? >.>
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on May 30, 2005, 11:49:33 AM
Well just to support Kira, Shinn did came from behind when Destroy was engaged with Freedom.  And Freedom was dealing with Neo at the time too.  Plus it was a convenient plot element...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: aznkaliko623 on June 01, 2005, 03:39:19 AM
dont forget that kira does not fight to kill, but for peace....so take that into consideration.  If he was fighting to kill who knows how strong he would be.  I really dont want to see kira get owned by shinn, cuz i think shinn isnt as good a pilot as kira.  But if he does own kira its probably because he wants to kill kira, while kira of course wouldnt be fighting to kill.  But as long as kira ends up as the strongest i'm happy, as dissappointed as i am bout the fact he gets owned by shinn...T_T
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 01, 2005, 11:10:25 AM
yeah I think it works out better for Kira if he gets defeated.  Then he will have an objective to really achieve.  He will not be the strongest and that makes it all the more interesting.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 03, 2005, 10:22:45 AM
I felt really bad for Stellar ya know. Tho in a sense Stellar and Shinn reminded me of Cagalli and Athrun somehow. Despite the almost look alike features....

What is up with this Mwu look alike? Is it really Mwu or just another clone?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on June 05, 2005, 02:30:29 PM
Well now, some interesting events happened in that last episode... although its really just a setup for the next. This shall be quite interesting. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 05, 2005, 04:35:33 PM
yeah Shinn strategically has an advantage in the up coming battle now. IT should proove to be a fight well worth waiting for. XD

edit: please don't cry Murrue. :(
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 07, 2005, 05:27:44 AM
Finally... the fight that most people have been waiting for is gonna happen next episode XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 07, 2005, 02:44:29 PM
Yup, too bad everyone's favorite (that would be Freedom) is going to lose!!  Anyway, on character and plot.  I was rewatching the episodes and I saw some stuff that didn't really register the first time.  Like Dullindal, he was the first person shown with the plans for Destroy.  So I wonder, did he gave the EAF the plans, did he somehow acqured it and didn't tell anyone, or maybe he's manipulating LOGOS.  And here's a long shot theory.  Remember the ep when he was "talking" to Kruuze?  Well that got me thinking, what if somehow he implanted Kruuze's personality into himself?  Maybe that scene where his younger self was talking to Kruuze is actually the personalities talking.  Plus he did have those pills.  Or maybe I'm probably thinking too much from the mind numbing amount of recap episodes.  Yeah it's probably that.  Anyway, to more recent stuff.  Boo, Freedom is going to lose, and boo that Shinn is the one that will do it, but yay on Strike Freedom coming soon, and yay on Lunamaria piloting Impulse, and...uh...please don't die Lunamaria.  The pink hair pilots usually don't last in anime series :(  I have no problem with Shinn getting blown up though.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: T-Aya227 on June 07, 2005, 03:11:53 PM
I'm thinking that the fight might turn out to be a tie...like both the Impulse and the Freedom will get trashed. Why? because if Shinn wins, who's gonna destroy the Impulse so that Shinn gets Destiny? (before, it was hypothesized that Destroy would destroy the Impulse...I think...) But maybe he just gets Destiny as a promotion and Lunamaria gets the hand-me-down Impulse...
That would suck, an all out lose for Kira...

P.S. I agree Lunamaria, plz don't die. :(
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on June 07, 2005, 05:07:05 PM
Like Dullindal, he was the first person shown with the plans for Destroy.  So I wonder, did he gave the EAF the plans, did he somehow acqured it and didn't tell anyone, or maybe he's manipulating LOGOS.

While watching, I was thinking that Dullindal is actually a member of LOGOS... as all of their reactions to his speach were not like "oh crap", but "what is he doing?" If he really does not know any of them, "what is he doing?" is a completely stupid fucking question... it was obvious what he was doing... he's on the other side.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 07, 2005, 05:44:20 PM
Thats a great point actually I posted a bunch of things on Sharingans.net forum about how I think Gil is evil.  That was one of my main points.  Does everyone remember  how this all started?? Because the colony was dropped on earth and gil's response to that was that he didn't know who was responsible.  Yet he knows the plans for destroy and all of the Logos members names  and faces?? Suspect

Also for saying that Kira v. Shinn being a tie if both MSs are damaged isn't a tie.  Its a win for Shinn because Freedom is a symbol of being on stoppable and AA as well.  Shinn being able to cause damage is huge in itself.  Plus remember Impulse originally comes in pieces. ;)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: T-Aya227 on June 07, 2005, 06:55:08 PM
So it's no hope for the Freedom?  :(

I guess I can take that, as long as the Strike Freedom kicks ass...Speaking of the Strike-Freedom, I don't really like its design.
The wings look...well...bulky (the top of the wing assembly when they are folded look awkward) ...and rifles look like ...blobs on a stick kind of...Overall, the Strike-Freedom kinda has a similar build to Destiny (the silohuette), plus, I liked the Freedom's sleek look better. From what I've seen, the Strike-Freedom won't have its two positron lasers in its wings anymore (Give me back my lasers!) and instead a chest cannon (that thing better be crazy powerful) Plus, I don't really like the idea of having the two hip rail guns being optional(I love those things two...armor, weapon, weapon holder all in one deluxe pack! Now on Sale!), and the color scheme I guess is okay but the gold outlines are kinda of...well...extravagent

Forgive my whining, but Freedom was one of my favorites(They're ruining it! :( )...and here's a question, Kira is gonna get the Strike Freedom ..........Yeah...................................From where?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 08, 2005, 05:28:01 AM
I think they steal it from ZAFT (again). I wonder how the heck they are going to pull it off though. It's like, Lacus dresses Kira as a ZAFT officer and walks into the military base and flies out with the mobile suit. Wait... that's happened last time. O.o

I don't like the look of strike-freedom, but I do like it's weapons (in theory, not the actual physical design of it) I like the fact the 2 gun can form a long range artillery XD, just like buster  ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 08, 2005, 07:41:42 AM
That was interesting to see a gundam of Kira's to have two laser rifles instead of one. I don't remember any gundam throughout GS and GSD thus far to have two laser rifles. My question is, is what happened to the shield that the Gundam would normally carry in its left hand? Well it benefit the Strike Freedom in the long run? Yeah of course, Kira is the ultimate coordinator, but it still will either diminish the Strike Gundam's capabilities or make it better. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 08, 2005, 07:51:20 AM
there are shield generators in both arms.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 08, 2005, 09:20:17 AM
I don't like the Strike Freedom as much either.  The wings aren't as cool.  It's not the deca wing anymore, more like octa wing.  And the gold really isn't doing anything for me.  The rifles might be cool, but they don't look as good.  And how the rifles are combined doesn't even look like they would fire consdiering that one barrel is connected to the other scope. 

And I don't think they're going to steal Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice from Zaft, or else Zaft just have really bad security.  I mean once is ok, twice is possible, but three times with their new secret prototyes...that's just carelessness.  Don't people build your own gundams anymore...always stealing it from the other side. 

And I also thought that the chairman was part of LOGOS, but I can't really tell what's he trying to do.  Is he trying to escalate the war so that most of humanity will die...like pretty much every other bad guy?

As for Kira losing to Shinn...no comment other than it sucks.  Something has to happen to make Kira lose, maybe a barrage of missles at AA so he had to take most of the damage...?  Well we'll find out.  Oh and yes, Luna gets the hand me down outdated gundam, like most gundam girls.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 08, 2005, 11:38:16 AM
I am thinking that the chairman has some plan to destroy LOGOS and control the world in the process and then afterwards shape it to his own desire. Or he could be another Kluuze nutcase and just trying to destroy the world, the two of them are relate somehow (not by blood, but maybe their philosophy)

As for ZAFT's security, it sucks. Kira made off with the original freedom, and then Lacus made off with the Eternal, then Stellar and gang made off with their new models. That's three times already. Maybe they should use a lock on those gundam so that people can't just hop in and drive it off. Millions of dollars spent on the design and production of the gundams and they can't even add a simple lock on it...

 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 08, 2005, 11:53:32 AM
Well despite the Zaft forces being enhanced and stuff they sure in hell don't seem smart if they can't protect their own gundams. I think they maybe over thinking their security. Cause if you overthink to much then you will forget about the most obvious ways of breaking in. Hence how Kira, Lacus, and Stellar and them got their gundams. Now if you take a look at GS and how much Athrun and company had to go through (not counting rewriting the whole OS) to get those things outta there. Cause there was a self-destruct in it. It seems to me that the EAF are smarter than the Zaft forces.

Does the Strike Freedom have nuclear power generator? I woulld assume it does but I am asking to make sure.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on June 08, 2005, 01:09:36 PM
I am thinking that the chairman has some plan to destroy LOGOS and control the world in the process and then afterwards shape it to his own desire.

But that is too obvious to be his real agenda, I really hope they don't go ahead with that. << He is one of those characters that you just cannot guess what they are planning... which is good. But they better not go with the obvious. >_<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 08, 2005, 01:28:06 PM
HERES SOME MAJOR SPOILER FOR DESTINY READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

"Nightmare" - The world is shocked at Dullindal's statement. In the middle of the confusion, Archangel decides to return to Orb. However, Archangel is run down by ZAFT's forces. Minerva is also given order to attack Archangel


Gundam ACE: Shinn finally defeated his greatest enemy. Athrun, unable to conceal his feeling, beats Shinn up. But faced with Rey's argument that "Shinn was only trying to accomplished his mission.", he has nothing to answer for his action. Burdened with mixed feeling, Minerva arrived at Gibraltar. Shinn and Athrun was summoned by the chancellor who had arrived on Earth bearing a gift to the both of them......

Dengeki Hobby: After losing Freedom, the severely damaged Arch Angel heads for Orb on the high sea. Durandal, with Meer by his side, descended to the Earth consumed in chaos and confusion by his announcement. Minerva moved into Gibraltar to receive the new Mobile Suits, Destiny and Legend.

Gundam ACE (Phione): Jibril was blamed for being responsible by Logos. In an attempt to rally, the main base of EA was moved to "Heaven's Base" in Iceland. On the other hand, ZAFT continued its preparation for the invasion of Heaven's Base. This is when Athrun finally understands Durandall's true intentions. While attempting to escape, he is sought out by people aftering him. In the end, it was an unexpected person that saved the cornered Athrun.

and after that Kira will get his new Strike-Freedom an upgraded version of the current Freedom Woot Woot!! hope he kicks Shinn's a$$, i dont want too see Shinn when he defeats Kira dammit to hell!!


37 Darkness of Thunder

After escaping from Minerva, Athrun was pursued by Shinn and Rey. However, Shinn hesitates on the idea of raising his guns on Athrun. At the same moment, Dullindall begain a new huge campaign against the EAF.

38 A New Flag

ZAFT, along with those volunteer from the EAF, is closing in on the headquarter of Logos, "Heaven's Base". However, during the battle, Logos's superiority is increased. (2nd sentence translated by Shouki.)

thoughts

I heard from some people that Athrun was offered the Legend but he did not accept the new MS and Shinn got the Destiny, they also mentioned that Athrun will be getting his I-Justice, a new Justice will return along with Kira's Strike-Freedom ^^

o and luna will be the new pliot for Impulse after Shinn gets his Destiny gundam
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 12, 2005, 10:20:40 AM
Yeah I don't know how to feel about the Freedom vs Impulse fight.  That fight just seemed off.  I mean yeah Shinn obviously did a lot of homework studying Kira's moves and the constant replacement of parts helped him quite a bit, but still Freedom didn't seem to fight as well as he did.  Shouldn't he have at least figure out that Shinn obviously knew about the head shots and tried something else...?  I'll admit Shinn put up a help of a fight, more so than he ever had in this series...maybe even too much.  His skill level drastically improved from the time he was fighting Chaos, Abyss, and Gaia.  Why didn't he pulled out that shield bounce move and all those separation moves before?!  Yes he was pissed about Stellar, and he studied Freedom's move, and Kira wasn't trying to kill (I wished he would!) and blah blah blah but still.  And I wished Kira didn't spent most of the battle trying to run away to help AA.  And I'm curious as to how he survived that.  Freedom's cockpit was impaled, it exploded (nuclear explosion?), and there wasn't anything left.  Still he did survived when Strike exploded, and Mwu did survive exploding in space without a helmet.  We're sure that he IS the pilot of Strike Freedom right... right?! ...ok just wanted to make sure:P  Anyway, this is just my bias opinion since I don't like Shinn and still don't think he should have been able to beat Freedom.  Anyway, I'm curious to hear what other people think of that battle, without starting up the Kira vs Shinn thing again.  I think I may have been building the suspense too much and so the battle dissappointed me a little.

Add on: Oh I forgot to comment on S Freedom and I Justice.  So it's being build at the end of this ep (along with the Dom and Gouf), but I'm hoping that it won't be built by Zaft and Lacus ends up stealing them.  From the preview, it seemed like Lacus's group was building them which makes much more sense.  I doubt that Zaft would have used the the name "Freedom" considering it is now the symbol for their enemy.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 12, 2005, 12:32:30 PM
well considering most of you already should've watched Phase 34 by now or just waiting for your group to release it here is a spoiler pic of the destruction of Freedom

http://ranobe.sakuratan.com/up/updata/up41479.jpg

Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 12, 2005, 07:19:21 PM
ok, quick post.  So far, I haven't heard from anyone that was thrilled about 34.  The only good thing I think can develop from this is that it might be a good chance to build up on the Kira/Lacuss relation.  Freedom is trashed, no sign of Kira is found...Lacuss finds out about this, gets emotional thinking he's dead...they find Kira and the story goes on.  But somehow I doubt that will happen considering all the spoilers I've read.  Ok, that's it.  I'm gonna move on... *cough* bullshit *cough* oh sorry, dry throat.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 12, 2005, 09:15:40 PM
well thats how it is so...and if you want to read some of the more interestng thing check out some other site like animesuki's forum or anime-planets forum their Destiny's pages are insane for anime-planet its 90 pages of Gundam Seed Destiny discussion and most of it is from the spoilers about the next few eps and Kira vs. Shinn
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Tenchido on June 13, 2005, 09:09:06 AM
Freedom was impaled in the stomach where the cockpit usually is for all Gundams. But I think that Freedom's and Justice's cockpit are in chest area since they're using the nuclear jammer canceller thingy (whatever it's called). I think the opening to Freedom is at the top in it's chest so maybe that's why he live? because he wasn't impaled? Usually when a gundam gets Impaled, they would show the polit's helmet cracking and blood burst up before the explosion, but they didn't show it for Kira.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 13, 2005, 09:40:06 AM
Tenchido is right. The Freedom's cockpit is in the chest. If you rewatch any episode when they show Kira staring at the Freedom or whatever you can see where the cockpit is.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 13, 2005, 10:14:04 AM
Yeah I checked out some of the other forums as well.  Shinn really isn't a popular character, especially after this ep :)  Anyway, yeah I noticed about the cockpit right after I posted.  Which was stupid of me considering the hours I put into actually building Freedom models.  But still, an internal explostion at the core level should have wiped out the pilot's existence completely.  Hell, in other gundam series, when a MS gets shot in the shoulders, the entire thing blew up.  I don't remember if it was ZZ or V.  Even if the Gundam remain somewhat intact, the cockpit is usually fried...remember Bernie from 0080?  Then again, AU characters seem to always have some sort of miracle on their side.  Ah whatever, it's not like I want him to die or anything. 

And here's a thing I keep forgetting to post.  Yzak and Dearka...yes they're in space fighting probably, but I wonder if they got a new Gundam.  They were the original pilots of the last war afterall, shouldn't they be given something more advance than the regular Zakus?  I hope we see them in something new if they make another appearance.  They probably will when the final battle takes place in space.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on June 13, 2005, 11:01:59 AM
I have always disliked Shinn, but now it has grown to full hatred. First off, WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM? Stellar (whom I have no idea what he saw in her other than perhaps her chest, she never spoke one coherent sentence and had the mind of a 2 year old) had just killed possibly thousands of people, and if her and Destroy remained alive more people would have died and Kira knew this and had to destroy(no pun intended) them. Now this is because Kira isn't a selfish prick like Shinn, he cares about people and is a great person. Sure, it's a shame your mentally challenged girlfriend died, but open your f**king eyes and see things for how they really are and that she was too dangerous to be kept alive.

With that said, I have no idea how Shinn could have defeated Kira, Kira is much smarter than Shinn and should have been able realize his "disarm" MS strategy wouldn't work here. I would just have killed Shinn, but thats just me....

I'm thinking maybe Freedom has an escape pod that they made up just for this occasion, much like the RX-79(G)'s had(both cockpits are in the same area). Or Kira just jumped out or something, you never actually see Freedom blow up so it's anyone's guess. But knowing Seed, they most likely won't explain it at all and suggest you to just run with it.

And a final thought, Mwu's helmet was removed from the Seed Special Editions, apparently Fukuda changed his mind about him being dead....
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 13, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
Well I believe that Shinn fell for Stellar cause he wanted to take care of her so much. He felt like it was love but all it was was a desire to take care of her and protect her so I think in the end if she lived they would've broken up anyway.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 13, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
check this pic taken from Haro and Tori's subb for Phase 34

http://img130.echo.cx/img130/6893/credit2yg.jpg

seems like they feel the exact same way with "most" of the people out there after watching Phase 34

Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 13, 2005, 03:03:24 PM
HAHAHAHA omg that is funny. Personally I don't want Shinn dead but he does piss me off sometimes
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 13, 2005, 04:45:38 PM
Hell much respect for Shinn I pretty much expected as much from a segmented MS.   Though I can't stand him being a hypocrite but I know his rude awakening is coming soon enough.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 14, 2005, 05:11:08 AM
Kira won't die (think back to asuran vs kira battle, how the hell did he survive that one -.-?)

I never liked shinn from the start, I hated his cocky attitude and that attitude got worse with each episode.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 14, 2005, 08:52:26 AM
Think about it like this Shinn survived the explosion then Kira did.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 14, 2005, 09:01:47 AM
The problem I am having with this is isn't Kira suppose to be the ultimate coordinator?

They are making Shinn look like he is one too. Being an ultimate coordinator Kira should've been able to beat Shinn despite everything that Shinn learned. Kira should've been able to adapt to the changing strategies. So why didn't he win?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 14, 2005, 10:32:42 AM
Well the fight had a lot to do with determination. kira was determined not to kill anyone, while shinn was determined to slaughter everyone (imagines shinn in seed mode vs ORB.) That put Kira at a big disadvantage right from the start. If Kira was going for the kill, the battle *should* have been over when Freedom sliced off Impulse's arm and head. I think kira could have alter his aim so that it went for cockpit, or add an extra slash to the cockpit afterwards. Also, being the ultimate coordinator doesn't mean you will win every battle. Look at asuran vs kira (in GS), both in seed and there isn't much of discussion as to who won that battle.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: YFW on June 14, 2005, 06:36:59 PM
I did re-watch the scene again. Found there is explosion (attack from Minerva), and Kira did pay attention on the AA & rush for AA. Shinn did take the changes to attack & "KILL" (FXXKing)  >:( from behind.
Kira not lose in the battle, only too care about friends & No Kill Policy.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 15, 2005, 09:37:34 AM
[spoiler]Plamoya-san's Useless Diary lists additional armaments taken from the 1/144 Collection Series Strike Freedom description:

Official name: EQFU-3X Super DRAGOON mobile weapon wings
Armament: MA08V Beam Assault Cannon x 1

Note: The model number given for the DRAGOON is similar to the Chaos Gundam's EQFU-5X mobile weapon pods.

I'll also add that this same site is known amongst rumormongers for breaking news about the Super Freedom->Strike Freedom name change a few days before it was announced on the official site.[/spoiler]

Strike freedom is looking to be overwhelming at this point.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 15, 2005, 10:15:38 AM
But I thought the Strike Freedom had two laser rifles not one? Or was that not the SF holding the two laser rifles in the opening credits?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 15, 2005, 10:43:17 AM
it does that discription was just talking about the extra stuff it has.  I think the cannon its talking about is the chest cannon.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 15, 2005, 11:59:06 AM
Okay so if it has a chest cannon the cockpit would be in the stomach area unlike the original Freedom?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on June 15, 2005, 11:15:44 PM
You've got that backwards, it is readily apparent that  the cannon is in the lower abdomen from official photos.  This would require that the cockpit remain in the upper chest area, like in the original freedom.  But, this is old news, what is particularly interesting are the "mobile weapon wings".  This means that the wings aren't simply a form of propulsion or added guns the flip out like the original freedom.  This means that they are funnels, which makes the Strike Freedom quite similar to the Nu-Gundam, which explains the original name for SF: Nu Freedom.  I'm secretly hoping that the dragoon wings will be able to form a shield, like the Nu-Gundam.  Now, if only SF had a wave rider mode, then it would have combined my 3 favorite MS into one (Zeta, Nu, and Freedom for those of you without the deductive capabilities to deduce that on your own).
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 16, 2005, 10:36:28 AM
I always thought that the wings being funnel was a rumor, but then agian... I don't frequent many gundam forums...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: JaisBane on June 16, 2005, 11:11:19 AM
Yes, well, it is technically still a rumor, but the news comes from a site with a reputable history.  Also, the MA08V Beam Assault Cannon is the armament on the Dragoon wings, not the chest/abdomen cannon.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 16, 2005, 05:56:23 PM
hmm...even more new MS spoilers.  According to the MSIA rumors, Waltfeld will be piloting a new Gaia.  And Cagali will be getting the Strike Rouge Freedom with a modified Aile Striker pack.  I don't know if SRFreedom is going to be in the show or if it's just a MSIA release.  But I'm curious to see it.  I don't even know if it's going to be more like Strike or Freedom.  And if it is in the show, why give Cagali anything.  She's been totally useless on the battlefield.  Oh and Dearka will be getting a custom Blaze Zaku Phantom, but who cares, that's an old MS now.  And about the SFreedom's weapons.  It didn't even occur to me that it might be funnels.  That would be so awsome combining my favorite Gundams together.  But looking at the pictures of the wings, I don't know where the funnels would be unless each of the wing section comes apart...which wouldn't look very good.  Now if SFreedom would only kept it's back cannons too.  That, the hip rail guns, plus funnels, and the twin rifle...throw in a God Finger and you'll have all the trademark weapons...and some serious ass kicking power :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 16, 2005, 07:31:39 PM
Wow... I doubt they would do that. That's pretty much cramming every powerful weapon into one gundam. It's almost like they ran out of new ideas and puts everything onto SFreedom in hopes that it would please the fans.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 16, 2005, 08:20:15 PM
  And if it is in the show, why give Cagali anything.  She's been totally useless on the battlefield.

Pretty much like Athrun huh?? lol
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: T-Aya227 on June 17, 2005, 07:09:38 AM
Quote
Now if SFreedom would only kept it's back cannons too.  That, the hip rail guns, plus funnels, and the twin rifle

Actually, from what I've seen, the hip railguns and the two beam rifles for the Strike Freedom are interchangable. It can go with either to two rifles or the railguns because both are stored on the sides of the hip. *sigh* They're ruining a perfectly good Gundam........
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 17, 2005, 09:22:28 AM
dont really care how they change Freedom I just want a MG or PG of Strike-Freedom :P (they only announced a HG release for S-Freedom right now sigh...)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on June 20, 2005, 05:19:15 PM
say u think athruns gonna fight shin once he gets his new MS, that would be awesome, and you know wut would be even more awesome......if he whipes the floor with shin!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 22, 2005, 11:19:38 AM
more spoliers from Gundam Ace

http://img274.echo.cx/img274/8541/gaspoilers1wv.jpg


Ep 37 :- Darkness Of Lightning
After hearing of Athrun escaping Gibraltar in a Gouf, the Chairman gives the order to have him shot down. Shinn, who is sent to shot down Athrun along with Rey, wonders if he should really go through with the order. Shinn finally makes his decision, and goes "SEED", shooting Athrun...!

Ep 38 :- A New Flag
With the deadline for the Chairman's ultimatum for Heaven's Base to hand over all Logos members hiding there quickly approaching, Shinn reveal his feelings for Luna. Understanding what it's like to lose those dearest to him, Shinn swears that he will protect Luna at all costs. However, EA lands the first strike and under the fire power of the Destroy Gundam, and ZAFT is on the losing side. Shinn, burning with anger, leads ZAFT back onto the upper hand.


Ep 39 :- Kira Of The Sky.
Lacus, after returning to PLANT, goes into hiding to look for that "Something" which can give an insight to the Chairman's thoughts.
When she finally finds a piece of it, ZAFT forces prevents her escape. When all seems hopeless, Kira appears in the Strike Rouge.


Ep 40 :- The Golden Meaning
After hearing the Chairman's praises, Shinn renews his efforts at Heaven's Base. Having given up on dealing with Athrun, Shinn gets information regarding Djibril, after escaping from Heaven's Base, hiding in Orb.

Also another PHASE-37 tv guide spoiler:

Athrun, who escaped from the base, is being pursued by Shinn and Rey. Upon learning that Meyrin is also there, Dullindal, for the sake of maintaining secrecy, gives the order to shoot down Athrun. After receiving the order, Shinn appears confused, and is scolded by Rey. Athrun desperately tries to persuad Shinn while fighting, but his words, twisted by Rey, are unable to reach out to Shinn.

we need to get some spoiler tags here ^^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: da MiGHTy pLUm! on June 22, 2005, 11:35:26 AM
highlight below to see:

you could always type in white
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 22, 2005, 12:37:17 PM
Oh great... now Shinn is going to protect Luna!?!?!??! How the heck did she get in the picture?!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 22, 2005, 01:29:21 PM
well...ya I'll do white from now on for spoilers ^^ but it'll be better if there were spoilers tag instead
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 22, 2005, 04:43:06 PM
Yeah seriously.  I mean I knew about Shinn and Luna being a "couple" from the intro, but that just seems all too sudden.  I'll give some benefit of the doubt since we still have a few more episodes till then (it's only a few), but still...he was all Stellar, Stellar, Stellar and Luna was set on Athrun.  I don't remember anything about Luna losing someone, unless her sister is going to die soon.  Actually that part might work out, if her sister somehow gets killed while helping Athrun escapes.  But to have Shinn all of sudden confess to her, that's pushing it even more than the Kira/Lacus relationship.  Besides, Shinn doesn't deserve Luna...he deserves to be alone till he dies.  Though I'm curious to see how crazy the Chairman and Rey will become.  Rey seems to have issues with Kira killing Creuset so I'm sure that will be an interesting development.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 22, 2005, 07:24:22 PM
But your little statement there is shot down.  Because Shinn shoots down Athrun's Gouf.  Supposedly Meyrin is suppose to be on board with him.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 23, 2005, 11:22:23 AM
I think that if Shinn and Luna are to be together then they should never have made the implications that Stellar and Shinn were together. Its too much in such a short time. Wouldn't a normal person wait a couple monthsbefore dating if he or she lost someone they truly loved?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 23, 2005, 11:42:38 AM
I guess it's just the emotional turmoil that's going through Shinn that caused him to make such a decision.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 23, 2005, 12:05:29 PM
So your saying that Shinn is now being with Luna because he needs an emotional attachment to the opposite sex?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 24, 2005, 12:26:11 PM
I justice update:
Justice Gundam
Head machine gun: MMI-M19L 14mm dual machine guns x 2
Chest machine gun: MMI-GAU26 17.5mm CIWS x 2
Leg/shin beam cutter: MR-Q15A Griffon beam blade
Hip beam saber: MA-M02G Super Lacerta (Speel Lacerta?) x 2
Lifter beam cannon: MA-6J Hyper Fortis beam cannon
Lifter retracted beam cannon's short beam saber: MA-M02S Prefis (?) Lacerta x 2
Lifter wing beam cutter: MR-Q17X Griffon 2 beam blade x 2
Lifter edge beam saber: MA-M02G Super Lacerta (Speel Lacerta?)
Beam rifle: MA-M1911 High energy beam rifle
Beam boomerang: RQM55 Shining Edge beam boomerang
Beam shield: MX2002 beam carry shield x 1
Shield anchor: EEQ8 Grapple Stinger

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/huaying_l/StrikeFreedomDragoon.jpg
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on June 24, 2005, 01:08:09 PM
Nice.  Justice looks better this time around, though I don't know about those feet cutters.  S Freedom shows new promise now that I've seen the wing system, though I still like the old one better.  Anyone noticed that they misspelled "frrdom" :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 24, 2005, 11:37:00 PM
S-Freedom is just a big MS beam rifle and the I-Justice is a MS melee weapon so with them together they work really well
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 25, 2005, 05:56:03 AM
S-Freedom is just a big MS beam rifle and the I-Justice is a MS melee weapon so with them together they work really well

Yeah thats what I thought. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 27, 2005, 07:26:36 AM
So your saying that Shinn is now being with Luna because he needs an emotional attachment to the opposite sex?

Nah... more like his obsession to protect people of the opposite sex ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 27, 2005, 07:41:41 AM
lol well that takes me back to when males used to protect females all the time. ^_^ I still do that.

Another thing, I swear I thought I saw the SF being built by Lacus in episode 35. Does this mean she really is building that thing or are they still stealing it from Zaft?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 27, 2005, 08:40:57 AM
[spoiler] TV Magazine DESTINY article
4 New, Great Gundams Appear!

Infinite Justice Gundam (Pilot: Unknown) - Created together with the Strike Freedom. It flies freely on its back-mounted Lifter while beams on its wings and legs tear enemies to pieces.

Strike Freedom Gundam (Pilot: Kira Yamato) - Freedom's successor, which Lacus had developed for Kira. Possesses firepower that exceeds Freedom's and is equipped with a DRAGOON system.

Legend Gundam (Pilot: Rey Za Burrel) - A unit in the vein of the Providence with a DRAGOON system which can simultaneously attack multiple enemies from every direction through the use of sub-units that detach from its back.

Destiny Gundam (Pilot: Shinn Asuka) - Possessing all the abilities of the Impulse without the exchanging Silhouettes, it's ZAFT's most powerful Gundam. Fires beams from its palm.

Destroy army corps appears! - Destiny and Legend attack Heaven's Base to defeat Logos but their path is blocked by 5 Destroy units![/spoiler]

In episode 35 huh I never paided attention I'll check it out. XD

edit: I dont' see it.  at what time did you see it (meaing XX:XX). ?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 27, 2005, 09:21:38 AM
they only showed the DOM Lacus was building never showed SF being build on Eternal
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on June 27, 2005, 09:42:11 AM
I liked episode 36 quite a bit, we finally begin to see the true colors of the Chairman and Rey....and it's about time Arthrun starting standing up to himself. But how did Meer used to look so hideous....o_O

My only complaint is the manner in which Meyrin saved Arthrun...that was such an obvious plot device just to get her naked..and I found it pointless and stupid(but pleasing on the eyes). I've said before that I don't mind fan service, but gratuitous use of it and putting in where completely out of place annoys me. -_-
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on June 27, 2005, 10:47:04 AM
Well considering the situation you dont really have much options, theres only a window in the room and 3 guards are at the door (but ur right as well Athrun could of just ran out the window and Meyrin would've been dragged into the situation)

as of now Meyrin has been quite for a long time so its goo to see her in action now ^^ (I just hope that Meyrin doesnt die)

and Meer I fell sad for her being used by Gilbert and now is completely obsessed with being Lacus
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 27, 2005, 12:06:48 PM
they only showed the DOM Lacus was building never showed SF being build on Eternal

My bad, my eyes aren't very good. I swore that was the SF tho.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on June 27, 2005, 06:02:06 PM
they only showed the DOM Lacus was building never showed SF being build on Eternal

My bad, my eyes aren't very good. I swore that was the SF tho.

I don't remember specifically, but I think i saw it too. *Goes and rewatches*

edit: *realizes that he deleted the episode already ><*
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 28, 2005, 07:48:26 AM
I should still have it. I will take a look tonight hopefully.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on June 29, 2005, 10:47:33 AM
i didn't see strike freedom in there unless u mean to imply that the purple zaku was strike freedom lol. patience it will come
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 29, 2005, 11:31:12 AM
You remember the scene with Lacus at the end of the episode. It showed her talkin to some guy or something like that. She was looking at a clipboard. There was a MS or something in the background. I swear that was the SF.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on June 29, 2005, 11:46:40 AM
*sigh* still on that??

(http://img174.echo.cx/img174/9300/dom9ht.th.jpg) (http://img174.echo.cx/my.php?image=dom9ht.jpg)

(http://img174.echo.cx/img174/8783/dom17qg.th.jpg) (http://img174.echo.cx/my.php?image=dom17qg.jpg)

(http://img174.echo.cx/img174/3360/dom36qd.th.jpg) (http://img174.echo.cx/my.php?image=dom36qd.jpg)


Its not there.  Come up with a time frame where you saw it.  Example 9:03
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on June 29, 2005, 12:52:21 PM
I'' do it tonight hopefully if I time cause frankly I don't remember
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 03, 2005, 09:48:54 PM
well there you go thats a DOM right there definitly not S-F ^^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on July 04, 2005, 03:19:21 PM
LoL, I can't even find the dam episode where it played that. But I only searched for 5 minutes :S.

Shinn seeds for the stupidest reason IMO. It's like, "OMG, I am fustrated with all these moral dilemmas, therefore I will take it out on Athrun. While I am at it, I might as well completely destroy the odds by seeding."
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on July 05, 2005, 09:18:10 AM
Shinn is pretty good after he seeds but he is also retarded at the same time. No offense to the mentally disabled out there.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 05, 2005, 10:02:11 AM
the whole crew of Minerva is filled with Shallow (Luna), Boring (Rey), Naive (Shinn). Puppets (Rey, Talia, Shinn and luna).  Once someone finds something wrong they get killed is that it?? Talia seems to have issues but she isn't going anywhere.

Wow Minerva's crew is just unlikable IMO.  I never liked them from the start (except for Luna, but look at her now) and this last episode and upcoming ones cemented it for me.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on July 05, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
I hated Rey from the beginning. For some reason he just seemed to get on my nerves. Talia reminded me of Murrue so much that I just decide to ignore and pretend that Talia doesn't even exist. As for the rest of the crew of the Minerva, lets just say they need to adopt better personalities.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 05, 2005, 02:10:42 PM
only person on that ship I liked from the start was Meyrin ^^ she was quiet but you can tell there was something big shes gonna do hehe, and Arthur hes the comedic guy on that ship ^^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on July 10, 2005, 07:03:48 AM
First of, hate the new op.  Didn't liked it when I first heard the song, and like it less when I saw it.  The song didn't fit the images.  Worst op in Gundam history imo.  About this episode, well you know in rpgs when you fight a really hard boss in the beginning, and later on those bosses become regular enemies in the final dungeon...that's what this episode was.  Apparently it's just that easy to destroy...uh Destroy Gundams now.  It's like their weakness is the sword, so let's just use those...since those Destroy pilots didn't know how to fire all their weapons at once like Stellar did.  I mean one Destroy can shoot all around, you would think 5 of them would be able to put up some kind of defense grid.  Well enough about that battle, moving on the Shinn and Luna.  Too fast, to sudden, and too much.  At least with Flay, she was manipulating Kira, but with Luna it was like "you shot down my sister and Athrun, the guy I liked, so I'm sad and I'm going to kiss you now."  Yeah, you can argue about emotional stress and what not, but I stand by my statement.  Now don't misunderstand, I did liked the episode.  I'm just pointing out the things I thought was wrong.  On a side note, Lacus looked like a ninja in her black outfit :P  And S Freedom, finally.

Oh, and the golden MS (Akatsuki maybe?  "Red moon" but with golden colors?!), that brings back some memories.  Hmm wonder where they got that idea from.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on July 11, 2005, 10:52:53 AM
Ugh, I agree, I didn't even watch more than a few seconds of the OP....it was just that awful.  >_< That whole 5 Destroys thing was poorly executed, if it had just been Destiny and Legend picking them off yet still struggling I may have believed it more because they are newer than Destroy....but IMPULSE?? Shinn couldn't do shit in that thing when HE had it, and he is at least twice the pilot Luna is and this was the first time she has used something besides a Zaku. And why did they have to give Destiny Gundam "shining finger"? A little of me died when he used that on a Destroy's head....no place in this series for me.

I think they should have waited much longer for the Shinn/Luna kiss, I mean Shinn was still bitching about Stellar in just the last episode...how is he willing to be with her so quickly? Oh well, at least it finally happened, and I liked the episode overall but nothing id without flaw...Also glad to see Arthrun and Cags reunited.

I did however like the ED though, sounds like See-Saw who did the first ending in Seed, quite catchy and appropriate for this series.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 11, 2005, 04:51:06 PM
about Shinn read this http://www.livejournal.com/users/shadowcell/51049.html

and if you look at the new opening with the Destory Gundam with Shinn and Rey (recall something? yup eariler in the openings it was Kira and Shinn and they fought, this is a foreshadowing)

and GSD is kinda like DBZ where they try to replace Goku with Gohan but the majority of the viewers were upset with that and they had to change it bak to Goku. and GSD is no different from DBZ they are already changing Kira bak to the main character

Shinn was a enjoyable character (being emotional and mentaliy disturbed and all, but i thought he was a little dull, although he did disobey orders at some point but that wasnt enough.)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 11, 2005, 08:28:49 PM
the worst opening ever.

That link to the LJ was interesting but there are many holes in his arguement.  He says its not real then he talks about real life issues blah blah.  It works on the mindless fanboys and fangirls but not on people with a clue.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 12, 2005, 10:09:04 AM
his arguements are like that of the Strawman arugement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument#Rhetorical_use
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 13, 2005, 04:13:35 AM
oo so you mean his arguements are just riddled with holes?? lol  Strawman you mean.  I'm not even reading that until later.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 13, 2005, 11:11:38 AM
http://anime.n0g0al.com/images/mostwanted/akbi.htm

heres another hate article on Shinn by A-Kingdom ^^ (funny too)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: T-Aya227 on July 15, 2005, 05:52:11 AM
Lol...A-Kingdom did make a few good points, I liiked that article, whereas the Shadowcell one was probably made by some Anime-hater...and it was just a biased piece of **** which really didn't make sense.

Now, about that new OP theme...

It was a quiet Wednesday night when I sat down to watch the latest episode of Seed Destiny...the show starts and WHAM...This friggin dumbass song starts playing and I'm like WTF!!!!! I listened to it for one more second to make sure that my ears weren't hearing things, but yes...that song really sucked, and I moved on to the show...an okay episode.     

logic error_a person cannot fully master the Impulse moving from a zaku in one day
logic_error_Kira had a hard time against one Destroy, and Luna/Shinn/Rey took down five of them without breaking a sweat
logic error_even if Athrun had covered for Meyrin, they would both still been blown to bits.

Man...the people at GS headquarters must all be just dumb or something. In a fictional piece, some imaginative things can be used, but this is stretching it a bit to far.

(YES 100th POST!!!)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 15, 2005, 12:59:44 PM
well you have to understand the director is FudaKa and hes famous for his "100% certainly that the person just died, but somehow he wasnt and now hes bak even better"

well cant help it, I bet he was trying to kill of Kira but the fans got too angry so he had to bring him bak. and Asuran and Mu and pretty much everybody whos important. 

about the opening its just like this, Fudaka pretty much copied from what he did before

http://kubnw11.kub.nl/~s555286/2005071305.jpg

here here are some funny pics:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5638/destroydestroysig7um.jpg
http://kubnw11.kub.nl/~s555286/11212472475683cy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/elthman/0214.jpg
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on July 17, 2005, 07:34:56 AM
Hmm, it's a wonder how those two endings look exactly alike.  Anyway, having finally see S Freedom, I can say that it does not disappoint.  Though the wings looked sleeker than the drawings, which is fine by me since it looked more like the original Freedom.  Too bad the models will still have those bulky wings.  And that Kira/Lacus moment was nice, even though they were having it in a middle of a battle.  But damn it, I was hoping for a kiss or something :P  And did anyone notice the pic of the person on the deleted file, the one that Lacus was looking at.  Was that Dullindal...uh...pre cosmetic surgery?  Also this episode just showed how good Kira was.  He was fighting those Zaku in Strike and still performed well.  And so far this battle was probably the most believable since the obsolete suit did suffer heavy damage.  But then S Freedom came out and kicked ass, thus killing the believability of that battle, but still cool.  As for the next ep, I'm hoping that Cagalli wasn't the one piloting the Akatsuki during that fight scene in the preview.  She shouldn't be that good.  And damn, that unit was designed two years ago, it shouldn't be able to match the new units, unless they modified it.  And I hope they have a lot of gold paint, cuz that stuff scratches easy :) 

Oh and if Cellphone^2 is disbanding, how am I suppose to get my Sunday morning gundam fix?  I don't want to wait 2-3 days for the other groups :(  Here's hoping Seed-Fansub, or Haro^Tori step it up a notch :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on July 17, 2005, 04:18:33 PM
Worst op in Gundam history imo.

Agreed... while a week late.

and GSD is kinda like DBZ where they try to replace Goku with Gohan but the majority of the viewers were upset with that and they had to change it bak to Goku. and GSD is no different from DBZ they are already changing Kira bak to the main character

Wow, you compared Gundam and Dragonball. More like they just failed trying to recreate Camille, one of the most popular Gundam characters since the beginning. No surprise there.

Anyway, I watched the newest ep this morning... I do agree, I like the look of the new Freedom, it's pretty nice, and much better in motion rather than just a still picture. It's nice seeing funnels getting used, as it is a UC double... so that is needed. I also thought the picture was a much, much younger Dullindal, although he would indeed need to get rid of that scar.

I am excited to see the next few episodes. :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 17, 2005, 05:10:11 PM
Well one thing is finally confirmed.  Kira is officially a Newtype.  He has been able to feel Mwu and Klueze before.  As well as see Fllay's ghost after she died.  OO yeah he also figured that Neo is Mwu and I think he realized that Shinn was the one who took him down.  IF you remember when he beam rifle was destroyed i think he realized it then.  Now he had a Newtype flash.   Kira is officially Armaro Rey.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on July 17, 2005, 06:44:32 PM
Oh and if Cellphone^2 is disbanding, how am I suppose to get my Sunday morning gundam fix? I don't want to wait 2-3 days for the other groups :( Here's hoping Seed-Fansub, or Haro^Tori step it up a notch :)

Wow... when did that happen? (ya.. I haven't been online much for the last two weeks, so I am kinda out of it)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on July 18, 2005, 07:18:56 AM
Oh and if Cellphone^2 is disbanding, how am I suppose to get my Sunday morning gundam fix?  I don't want to wait 2-3 days for the other groups :(  Here's hoping Seed-Fansub, or Haro^Tori step it up a notch :)

Ugh, thats pretty annoying, they were the fasted group...I hope the others get more up to speed.

I have to say, the S Freedom blew my expectations out the window, that thing was awsome! I didn't really like the Lineart that much but after seeing it in action I was simply stunned, heres to a new kit to spend money on....^^; I thought the Strike Rouge with old Strike color scheme was neat, I liked the Green eyes(as opposed to yellow on the old one), ashame we will most likely never see a Strike unit again now. And I thought that guy with the scars was the guy piloting that Ginn who freaked out Arthrun with the line something to the effect of "Chairman Zala had the right idea for us corrdinators." I mean it makes sense if Dullindal was the one planned that for whatever reason, he probably manipulated that guy into launching the attack by using his grief over losing his friends there against him. (Dath Sidious anyone?)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on July 18, 2005, 11:37:02 AM
from what I can tell right now I'm predicting that the Strike will be bak. Why? heres the reason Mu is going to be joining AA/Crew to fight against ZAFT/EAF (for the battle of Orb) and Cagalli will be using her Akatsuki, so no more reason for her to use Strike Rouge, and Strike is not that badly damaged. Only the arms and legs are shot down and those are easy to replace. Therefore, most likely Mu will ploit the Strike again and this time "hopefully" he will not die or "try to do the impossible"
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on July 18, 2005, 07:53:41 PM
Hmm... does anyone notice the DOMs in the OP. The pilots have that evil feel to them. (Kinda like the chairman when you first saw him). Kinda makes you wonder what happens to the DOM production factory -.-?

As for Mwu piloting Strike I guess it's possible. Or else they can put him in another gundam. Seeing how they made an orange Gaia, I won't be surprised to see Chaos making a comeback being piloted by Mwu. One logic flaw I see right now is that Mwu is currently on AA and Strike Rogue is on Eternal. So if Mwu does get Strike Rogue, or any other gundam. He will need to somehow board Eternal, since it holds all the new suits.

And I agree with most people saying that the dragoon system looks better in action than expected. Although I still think it was kinda lame that they gave s-freedom the dragoon system. Of course, I still hate the belly cannon thing and sorely miss the two top HIMAT wing guns (not sure what they are called.)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 18, 2005, 11:41:43 PM
I dont' think there will be another sorte from Mwu.  He really didnt' fight too much as Neo and I don't expect to see him change that.  He just might stay on AA and take the "bitch" position behind Murrue on the bridge.

Other than that I just don't see him being sent out.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Takisho on July 19, 2005, 10:23:54 AM
Can anyone really describe what has happened to Mwu anyway? Like is it a mindblank or is he testing the AA crew? I am confused. As for Kira and stuff its kinda sad how GS & GSD = UC in a nutshell. Has anyone seen Turn A? I need to see it but apparently it explains how AU's and UC can coincide and stuff. But I still like RX-93/RX-93-2 (Hi-Nu) more than S-Freedom.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 19, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
I don't think that they erased his memory.  I think its more along the lines of him forgetting who he was.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on July 19, 2005, 02:10:15 PM
As for Kira and stuff its kinda sad how GS & GSD = UC in a nutshell. Has anyone seen Turn A? I need to see it but apparently it explains how AU's and UC can coincide and stuff. But I still like RX-93/RX-93-2 (Hi-Nu) more than S-Freedom.

It would not have anything to do with Turn 'A', that was made before SEED, so if you see SEED and Destiny in that theory, its going to be a real long shot.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on July 19, 2005, 04:50:29 PM
Ah Turn A, the only series I know very little about.  I only watch the first quarter and just couldn't take it anymore.  At the time I thought Turn A had the worst gundam op ever, till the new gsd op came along. 

And Mwu might get to see some action, but not much.  There's no way he'll survive against the new MS in the Strike. 

As for the Doms, I think those guys might be good guys.  Just because a chic has an eye patch doesn't make her a bad guy :P  But seriously, I don't think Zaft would get control of the factory this late in the series.  But if they do, and they still lose, well then they just suck.  They have everything in this series.  Isn't it strange how they keep stealing each other's units, but rarely make new models once they get robbed...? 

And I like the S Freedom in anime form.  I'll hold my judgement on the model till I get one.  Though a MG model of him will totally kick ass, just like the Freedom.  Oh, I just bought the Destiny 1/100, so yeah, there goes that money.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on July 26, 2005, 10:16:35 AM
I've been following the Hero Legend releases of Turn A and I've seen through episode 44 (43 is where they first mention the Universal Century). Basically all Turn A does is suggest that after the Universal Century, the constant warfare would constantly tear civilization apart, causing humanity to rebuild and then tear itself apart again (thus going through all the alternate universes). They don't seem to care to go into much detail, so theoretically the Cosmic Era could be included in the extended Turn A universe. I mean, when the Turn A characters were watching recordings of the 'Dark History' even G Gundam showed up. If they can shoehorn G Gundam in there, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to include Seed.

On a side note, I highly recommend Turn A Gundam, at this point I'd put it in my top three favorite Gundam series (it might even make top, depending on how it turns out).

(http://www.rhetoricalramblings.com/swap/duelGundamHammers.png)
Gotta love the Gundam Hammer.

Back on topic, what'd you think of the introduction of the Akatsuki? If the old guy had that hidden away prior to his death, why didn't he give it to Cagalli when she was heading up to space in the last series. Seems that might have been kinda useful back then...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on July 26, 2005, 12:09:17 PM
You brought up one of the plot holes concerning the Akatsuki.  If it was hidden away during the last war, it shouldn't be that strong.  But I'm guessing it's going to be on par with latest units.  Which back in the first war, that thing would be a major force.  I mean it's coating allows it to deflect beam weapons, that would have helped out quite a bit.  And the fact that Cagali is piloting it is another issue.  She's not that great of a pilot compared to the others, but it seems like they're going to make her an ace now.  I'm hoping she doesn't go one on one with Destiny and manage to be even with it.  And when I saw the kanji one its left shoulder, my opinnion for it dropped because of the even more ripping of the Hyaku Shikki.  Well let's see what they do with the show in the next 10 ep.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on July 31, 2005, 06:46:04 AM
Ok, the next 9 episodes better be the most intense episodes ever in the Seed series.  Cuz they really need to make up for the last quarter of the series, which has been going downhill since the ep where Shinn destroyed Freedom.  I can't believe they put in a recap episode this late in the series.  So they're going to cram Inf Justice, Doms, Shinn changing sides, and the issue with Lacus and Meer all within the next few episodes?!  Not to mention the battle with Rey leading up to the final fight...and hopefully to Shinn's death.  What the hell, did they changed the scripts half through the series then changed it again?  If they had taken just a few more episodes on Luna and Shinn, and pace the ending better, I wouldn't have mind it so much (especially Luna and Shinn...yes I'm still bitter about how they just shoved them together).  They could have gotten rid of a couple of recap eps, I'm sure the audience wouldn't mind that.  As of now, this series has let me down.  A shame too, since it was good at the start.  Even if the last 9 eps are action packed, the overall story telling just wasn't that good.  Seed was better, even though it was slower.  Let's hope that next year's Gundam series will be really good...and not like Turn-A.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: T-Aya227 on July 31, 2005, 10:00:18 AM
Concerning Akatsuki, there is one notable feature about it, and that's the two cannons on its hips, sort of like the freedom. (don't know if you guys noticed it) So the full Armament of the Akatsuki are two "positron cannons" (hips and folds out due to being made of two sections) and one beam rifle. The funny thing is, when Cagalli fires all of the three weapons, you see 2 positron beams and on laser beam. on the enemy moblile suit side, we see three laser beams. Those guys at production headquarters sure are smart.
 
Concerning Akatsuki's armor, I think that it might be similar to the Advanced Phase shift system (something like that) Where it detects incoming attacks and activates respectively, notice how the yellow changes to that luminescent gold when a beam comes near? (the only problem is that when Cagalli first sees the Akatsuki, it is in the wierd gold color) So that's my tidbit of observation on the Akatsuki.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on July 31, 2005, 06:00:53 PM
GSD sucks.  I've really lost my patience with this one.  Its like a train right now and I'm awaiting the train wreck at the end. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Iamhot on July 31, 2005, 10:05:19 PM
GSD sucks.  I've really lost my patience with this one.  Its like a train right now and I'm awaiting the train wreck at the end. 
why? because of Shin? believe me, he will deserve a fitting end

back on the topic, does anyone seen ep 41? i just want to know if it's really another recap
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 01, 2005, 06:11:01 AM
Not because of shinn because it sucks period.  It is plothole ridden the writters throw a recap episode in when there are suppose to be 9 episodes left.  Many unresolved issues that could have been resolved if they utilized their episodes better.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 01, 2005, 10:37:40 AM
Yes 41 is a totally recap in case you still wanted to watch it...don't bother.  And I wouldn't say the series suck, but I wouldn't say it's good either.  The story had potential, and the mechs were cool...well some of them anyway.  But they obviously banged out this series to cash in on Seed while it's still hot.  I mean this series probably had the most MS that didn't really do anything.  If this was back in the UC days, Kira, Athrun, and/or Luna would probably be dead now.  And as far as I know, this series has the most plotholes.  But still, being the gundam fan that I am, I'll still watch it (and somewhat like it) and buy the products they shove down my throat :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 01, 2005, 10:55:06 AM
so having the most plotholes makes it not good.  A few is a mistake, more than 3 episodes worth of plotholes is a problem and GSD is well beyond the problem mark.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on August 01, 2005, 11:23:51 AM
Yes 41 is a totally recap in case you still wanted to watch it...don't bother.  And I wouldn't say the series suck, but I wouldn't say it's good either.  The story had potential, and the mechs were cool...well some of them anyway.  But they obviously banged out this series to cash in on Seed while it's still hot.  I mean this series probably had the most MS that didn't really do anything.  If this was back in the UC days, Kira, Athrun, and/or Luna would probably be dead now.  And as far as I know, this series has the most plotholes.  But still, being the gundam fan that I am, I'll still watch it (and somewhat like it) and buy the products they shove down my throat :P

You took the words right out of my mouth Shinaku, now I have no post.. ^^;

But I will say that after waiting a whole week to see a new ep. and it turns out being yet another clip show, makes me seriously want to kill something.  >:( So is this the 3rd or 4th recrap episode? I lost track....
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on August 01, 2005, 05:51:37 PM
From Gunota

Blood's official site lists the show beginning on October 8th. This would make October 1st the date of Gundam SEED DESTINY's last broadcast. Assuming no further interruptions, that makes the series a total of 50 episodes, the same as the first SEED.

I was hoping for at least 2 more eps but o well ^^
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 01, 2005, 09:51:25 PM
there is no way they could cover all the plot holes in 9 episodes.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 02, 2005, 02:28:22 AM
They don't have to. They will just keep coming up with stupid copies of old MS from past series and hope to impress the fans that way. Not to mention make some cash by getting people to buy the models.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 02, 2005, 06:18:10 AM
well let the bashing of GSD continue then. lol
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: ryvius on August 04, 2005, 05:37:58 PM
Although i hate these recaps, you have to understand why they're there. THe animators put them there so they have 2 weeks time to draw and edit Eps. 42 so it will be yet another memorable battle. I feel your pain but just be a little patient ;)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 04, 2005, 08:01:40 PM
Although i hate these recaps, you have to understand why they're there. THe animators put them there so they have 2 weeks time to draw and edit Eps. 42 so it will be yet another memorable battle. I feel your pain but just be a little patient ;)

What ?  You are aware that all these episodes are ready weeks in advance right?? I dont' think they have to do anymore editing then they already have done.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 06, 2005, 06:22:36 AM
I agree

 If they were going to make some memorable battle they would have done it already. Frankly the battles i've seen so far haven't realy been "memorable", compared to all the past gundam battles these ones are really soft core.

 On a lighter note ep 42 gots I  Justice so it should ok and just maybe it can be memorable in Athrun killz Shin and improves the series a great deal.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on August 06, 2005, 09:52:57 AM
You know, the thing that's been bothering me the most about Destiny lately isn't even the plotholes, it's the utter stupidity of the characters. Seriously, the combined IQ of the show has dropped drimatically since Seed.

Athrun allowed himself to get used by ZAFT again, in pretty much exactly the same manner and he fought Kira again, despite forty or so episodes of Seed dedicated to them deciding not to fight anymore. Now he's right back where he was near the end of Seed, how's that for character development?

Kira and the Archangel crew desplay their strategic prowess by attempting to prevent Orb's participation in the war by the most idiotic means possible. Rather than helping Cagalli organize a military coup against baldy and idiot son (it's obvious that both the military and civilians would have followed her) they take her away from Orb and fly right into the middle of battles that have already started. What made anybody think this was a good idea? How could the Orb fleet leave when the Alliance fleet was right there ready to blow holes in them the second they broke the treaty?

Luna, heartbroken and confused over the defection and apparent death of her crush and her sister falls right into the arms of the very man who supposedly killed them.

Lacus heads to space to watch new weapons of mass destruction be built rather than heading for Plant to get some answers about the fake Lacus.

Kagalli's father returns from the grave with an old, but strangely powerful mobile suit that probably would have come in handy when his country was being destroyed in the last series.

Baldy and idiot son of Orb take in CatLover, despite the fact that the last place he hung out at (a military headquarters protected by the latest weaponry) was overrun by ZAFT. They then act surprised when ZAFT comes knocking.

Really, Shinn's the only one who hasn't done anything monumentally stupid yet. He has some anger management issues, sure, but so far all he's done is protect the Minerva, destroy the unpredictable and dangerous Freedom and kill a couple defectors.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: T-Aya227 on August 06, 2005, 07:30:07 PM
     Thrid... it's almost scary, but you make sense... However...Shinn is a defect too because we all hate him(I believe), and in the near future, he joins Archangel and Eternal...can't wait to see the reasoning for that. Though it shouldn't be that bad, as long as the point that Shinn is shown that Dullindal is "bad" gets through, and Athrun or Kira roughs him up a little. I mean He "killed Athrun, Meyrin, and Kira (he should have considering how both the Gouf Ignited and the Freedom blew up spectacularly. GSD definitely does not compare to GS no matter how good the next 9 are. GS was alright, but GSD is just...just...(put in a word)

404 Logic Error-big explosions kill unless you are behind some very thick armor

   The guys at GSD headquarters need to go back to school.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 07, 2005, 07:43:15 AM
Yup seems you got all the plotholes/stupid reasoning down.  The Lacus passing over the fake Lacus is acceptable since it wasn't the main concern.  I'm just going to watch the next 8 ep at face value, and just for the action I guess.  Though I'm not sure if Shinn will actually board the AA or Eternal.  If he does then that's another issue I'll have with this show.  He might just fight against Zaft at the very end since he first have to hear Athrun's reasoning and then take that in.  Plus he can't just leave Luna on Minerva.  Unless she also defects with Shinn which would leave the Minerva screwed :P  Back to ep 42, a good episode.  The only plot hole is that Athrun gets in the Justice in the end...um...he could hardly walk and now he's going to fight?  I guess as long as he can sit and use those control sticks he's okay.  I'm glad to see that the Akatsuki didn't really do anything and pretty much got beat by Destiny.  That makes sense.  And I'm hoping they're at least touch on those Dom pilots background.  And we get the pleasure to know that Kira could have killed Shinn easily with S Freedom...why didn't he?!?!  >_<  This episode's speacial treat, Lacus in a pilot uniform and finally in her ninja outfit  ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 07, 2005, 08:30:05 AM
ok i watched ep 42 from hiro and was dissapointed

 not only did it not have sound but they only let I-justice out at the very last second which really pisses me off i been waity 41 eps to see justice again and they go and give  a second off it now i gotta wait a whole week to seeit in action...but it till looks cool and the battle looks like it should be good.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 07, 2005, 08:35:08 AM
yea say if shin is going over to archangel woudn't that me rey dies sumtime soon cause really he is the poison in the milk so would it be fair to say he dies, kira didn't look all to pleased to see a remake providence flying at him so theresa good chance that he might kill him right........oplz say yes......
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 08, 2005, 06:25:37 PM
well here are some spoilers for the next few eps:




Phase-43, "Voice Of Counter" - Piloting the Justice, a still-weakened Athrun joins the battle alongside Kira, who is in a tough fight against the team of Destiny & Legend!

Phase-44, "Two Lacuses" - Finally, the real Lacus shows herself to the people. Their spirits are shaken by the appearance of two Lacuses.

Phase-45, "The Overture Of Revolution" - Djibril activates his final weapon! The Minerva's crew fights to save PLANT from annihilation!!

Phase-46, "The Song Of Truth" - With The Earth Alliance forces crushed and the world firmly in his grasp, Chairman Dullindal at last makes his move to stop the Archangel!?



46 sounds interesting...too bad it's going to be rushed.  And Rey have a good chance of being killed soon.  Though I still think that it's going to be Rey and Shinn, judging from the intro.  Whatever, just hurry up and get to the S Freedom and I Justice tag team. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 08, 2005, 06:49:50 PM
Two Lacuses - The battle of who does more fan service ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 09, 2005, 07:32:01 AM
lol that would be awesome, my money is on the real lacus becuz she has a cool ninja suit and the other one wheres the same thing all the time
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 09, 2005, 05:41:43 PM
I support the real Lacus all the way :)  But Meer does have boucier...uh...personality, well when she wasn't all cazy.  Back to more serious matters, I still can't figure out what Dullindal is trying to do.  So far I can only guess that he escalates the war so he can eliminate all of his targets, but why?  Is he trying to create a "utopia" or is he just crazy and wants to purge the world.  Seeing as how this show is going, they're probably going to give us some cheap reason.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 10, 2005, 11:29:36 AM
If i do recall dullindal is doing it to rein supreme, thats what djubril said or some thing like that. I dont think he's crazy or at least not yet he isnt.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on August 10, 2005, 09:46:02 PM
just got bak from a 4 day camp and here is what i got from GSD stuff

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpos...2&postcount=763

this explains how the energy shield works and how SF blocks the ASSword from Destiny

http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freedom3ea.jpg
Shinn's sword no workie now

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=up498337fz.jpg
SF's gun = ownage

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lacus8cw.jpg
Lacus is so cute in pink and her suit

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doms8zn.jpg
These DOM Troppers kick ass

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?...tnopower0hl.jpg
Destiny actually ran out of power (and it is powered by nuclear energy its just that it uses a different engine than SF and IJ so it runs out of energy faster than SF and IJ)

Latest Newtype spoilers

PHASE-45 "Revolutionary Overture"
In order to stop Requiem from firing a second time, ZAFT troops begin attacking the beam's first relay point... While the Minerva hurries to the point of confluence, the order to have a surprise attack on Requiem itself reaches them.

PHASE-46
Lacus & co walk through streets of the free lunar city Copernicus... Then a message of Meer seeking help reaches them.

other previews you can get from Gunota
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 11, 2005, 10:58:16 AM
wow So Meer is looking for help?? *sigh*  I wonder which ending will have more holes... Ichigo 100% or GSD. XD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 11, 2005, 07:31:24 PM
Flip a coin. Heads is Ichigo; tails is GSD
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 14, 2005, 08:05:09 AM
GSD probably has more than Ichigo.  At the least, the characters in ichigo are consistent.  Commenting on this week's episode, not a bad episode.  I actually find this episode amusing.  First off, everybody is beating Shinn now.  Kira did the blast thing last episode, this time he just kicked Destiny away.  Then Athrun, with major injuries, destroyed the Excalibur in one swoop.  Now this is where their skills should be.  Kira and Athrun should have displayed those skills 10 episodes back.  I was disappointed with Jona (Yuna...depends on which group's sub you're watching) death.  I wasn't satisfied with a Gouf crashing on him.  I thought it was going to be stray shot that blasted him...then a crash...follow by an explosion...and some kids kicking his corpse :P  And I thought the ending was funny too.  Apparently it's very easy to interrupt transmissions.  If you were watching that major announcement, you would be totally confused.  I'm Cagalli...zZz...I'm Lacus Clyne...zzZZzz...I'm Lacus Clyne. 

On to my Destiny rant.  As I finished up the model for Destiny, I realized that it has a really bad design.  Sure it looks cool with its wings spread out in the show, but in reality that thing can't do any of the stuff we've seen it do.  First of all, its wings can't fold back because the sword and gun are RIGHT behind it.  Also, while the wings are open and that purple thrusters are firing, you can't rotate the gun from the back.  It gets stuck...not to mention super heated.  If the sword and gun wasn't there, I think Destiny would have been much better.  Meh, whatever, I'll post the pics when I finish painting the weapons.  I had rain delays for a week now.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 15, 2005, 07:33:32 AM
            hmmm i still dont know where the hell those three pilots in the purple suits are and why they are there I hope the make a mention in the next ep or so. The battle between AA and minerva was pretty good minerva got totally owned. I dont get why Lunanaria didn't keep flying after the shuttle if i remeber Impulse flew out b4 to chase the stolen gundams so why not now. My Biggest problem is WHERE THE HELL DID CHAOS GO it just disappeared.


      seeing athrun final use his skillz was awesome and seeing shin get pwned is better all in all it was a pretty good ep.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 15, 2005, 07:44:06 AM
Chaos got blown up.

Anyway I liked the AA vs Minerva battle.  I thought yet again the MS battles were bullshit.  Destiny's speed meant nothing again.  All of a sudden Athrun breaks his seed yet His life and Meyrin's life were both on the line and he couldn't do a damn thing.  No all of a sudden he could break his seed??  Please spare me.  GSD is soo horrible.

Well on a positive note Mwu is coming back.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 15, 2005, 07:40:09 PM
I dont get why Lunanaria didn't keep flying after the shuttle if i remeber Impulse flew out b4 to chase the stolen gundams so why not now.

a) Luna probably isn't as reckless as Shinn
b) Shinn was at PLANT when he chased the stolen suits. There was no atmoshphere and gravity to overcome. In fact, it would be easy to follow into space since the air was being suck out into the vacuum of space after they blew a hole in PLANT.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: VeX on August 17, 2005, 07:35:38 AM
The three DOMS sure felt like a blast from the freaking past.  Now if only they could sound like the rednecks from the dubbed version of MSG.....

I finally see how the Jet Stream Attack SHOULD be pulled off.... then I have to ask the question of who's gonna be the Amuro of GSD and pwn those copycats.

In eps 42 and 43, I have to agree... Destiny just.... sucked.

That or my long standing theory of the original SEED characters holding back just to build up the levels of the new cast is true.  (Or they just wanted to get blown up to get them new suits)

Then the next question begs to be asked: Would the funnels/dragoons etc. work in Earth? I distinctly remember that funnels were used planetside by the Quebeley II and Psycho II from ZZG....
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 17, 2005, 11:17:52 AM
now of them work on earth.  If S-F were to work then Legends should and Legends Dragoons > S-F's dragoons.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on August 17, 2005, 12:48:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunota Headlines
SEED/DESTINY follow-up rumors

Again take this with a grain of salt.
The following blog has a report/dialog between a customer, store owner, and a Bandai staff member during a Bakuseed (miniature electric motor car) tournament. That, of course, makes this report hearsay but still of interest as far as possible commentary on the state of Gundam at the moment goes:

The Bandai staff member commented that currently DESTINY as a series is unpopular with ratings on a downward trend (see below for that) and merchandise not selling well including Gunpla (something also mentioned at Plamoya-san's Useless Diary). The store owner adds that Bakuseed is outselling Gunpla at his store. The conversation switches to a possible sequel after the customer said "I guess no sequel then. Wanted to see one." The Bandai staff replied that they are currently exploring the idea of another SEED sequel which will again feature Kira and Athrun, concluding a SEED trilogy. The ending of DESTINY will be made so a possibility of sequel can occur. If it were to happen, they won't be doing it until after next year as time slots are all filled up for the 2006-2007 lineup. It is currently set as a trilogy, however more sequels will be made if proven popular.

Ratings are down compared to the first SEED (averaging 5.2% currently), though still better than the 90's Gundams on average. But from another perspective, things look worse when you compare it to the numbers for past MBS shows in the same timeslot (righthand column figures) as DESTINY will have to fight uphill to not wind up with the lowest average ratings.

well...I guess I'm up for it
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 17, 2005, 02:06:55 PM
A trilogy!??! Wow...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 17, 2005, 06:32:01 PM
Of course ratings are down!!!  With this kind of writing, what did you expect?!  Hire some good writers next time.  Ok, not that I mind the idea of a Seed trilogy, but if it does happen, it better not be with Kira and Athrun retiring from battle (again) and end figthing on opposite side (again) and then Athrun realizes what he truly wants and was being used (again) and joins Kira (again).  But just speculation here, if another Seed series is made, it would follow ZZ Gundam (not the first half I hope).  But seeing is how they're saying it'll be about Kira and Athrun, I don't see them following ZZ too well.  And you know that it'll only be like 2 years since Destiny.  If you haven't noticed, anyone above 20 is useless in the AU series.  It's all about the 16-18 years old :P  Ohh maybe they're do something like the all girl team from V Gundam, only with more fanservice :)  And damn it, I better see some hard evidence that Kira and Lacus are really together XP 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 17, 2005, 07:34:03 PM
Yar... I am not exactly thrilled about the trilogy though. Unless they make a really good ending that can keep people interested enough. LoL anyone wanna bet that Blue Cosmo will be back for the third part of the trilogy?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on August 18, 2005, 08:27:19 AM
well if they do make another sequel they really need to change director and the script writer. Since right now the script writer is Fudaka's wife, no wonder the story is so wacky and F'ed up
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 18, 2005, 01:57:26 PM
Ah then my question of "who did the writer sleep with to get this job?" makes a lot more sense now :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 18, 2005, 09:26:30 PM
LoL ;D

That would explain a lot of things. Although it doesn't excuse GSD for not being the anime it was suppose to be...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on August 19, 2005, 01:57:41 PM
Thx to Trinity for this:

Titles for upcoming episodes

* Phase 45 - Prelude to Revolution

* Phase 46 - The Song of Truth

* Phase 47 - The Heroic Death

* Phase 48 - Blood in the R.I.P.

* Phase 49 - Electronic Apocalypse

* Phase 50 - The New Era

wonder which character will die this time
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 19, 2005, 05:24:48 PM
Hmmm, well if that story about Seed 3 holds true, it wouldn't be Kira and Athrun.  Besides, they didn't kill either of them of by now, I don't think they will unless they want the fan's wrath on them.  And I doubt it will be anyone from the original series either.  Unless they're planning on killing Mu again.  Hey, he's the guy that makes the impossible possible, so maybe he'll come back from the dead again :P  And I'm REALLY hoping that it isn't one of the girls, not Lacus, Luna, Merryln, or Cagalli (well maybe her >_>).  Unless Rey changes side, doubt they would be calling his death "Heroic".  So that leaves me thinking these two possibilities, the Minerva, or if the heavens are willing SHINN!!

Well it could be Meer too I guess, depending on how they deal with the situation with Lacus.  Maybe Meer will die as Lacus making people thinking that Lacus gave her life to end the war...could be possible.  Especially looking at the titles, Song of Truth, then Heroic Death.  So it could go something like this: "Lacus" is killed, Kira gets mad and battles on, and at the end it's revealed that Meer was the one that died, thus reuniting Lacus with Kira.  Yes, I'm a romantic at heart... :P

EDIT: NVM, I misread the titles.  Didn't notice the musical theme titles.  So it's probably not what I thought it was.

But for now, if it is one of the hero characters, I'm betting/hoping on Shinn.  It would fit the story since he won't be with Zaft, nor Orb/AA.  That just seems to fit for me, or maybe I'm just really biased on this.  But if they kill Lacus, I'd hate the staff forever >_<  L-O-V-E LACUS-SAMA :P 

EDIT: Hmm, since the Song of Truth is about AA vs Chairman, Heroic Death is probably going to have someone die protecting AA (Shinn or Luna...??), or one of the battleships blowing up (AA/Minerva).  So either way, my two assumptions can still hold true.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Iamhot on August 21, 2005, 10:39:38 AM
Phase 47 - The Heroic Death

wow, they will kill somebody important this time. someone from AA or shin [i hope so]? or maybe the rumors about cagalli will be killed in the series was true? either way i'll bet if there's a 3rd GS he/she will resurrect there  ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Freeter on August 21, 2005, 04:46:48 PM
LOL, what if it was Mwu....at the last moment he remembers who he is, then *KABOOOOM*.... ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Undark on August 21, 2005, 05:22:11 PM
Then he will just come back in SEED 3, but instead of a mask, this time he will return in full automail (Full Metal Alchemist reference.) ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Chaos on August 22, 2005, 09:49:33 AM

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Then he will just come back in SEED 3, but instead of a mask, this time he will return in full automail (Full Metal Alchemist reference.
w/e

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Thx to Trinity for this:

Titles for upcoming episodes

* Phase 45 - Prelude to Revolution

* Phase 46 - The Song of Truth

* Phase 47 - The Heroic Death

* Phase 48 - Blood in the R.I.P.

* Phase 49 - Electronic Apocalypse

* Phase 50 - The New Era

wonder which character will die this time

mabye someone from AA i hope
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 23, 2005, 07:59:32 AM
Spoilers time:

Phase-45 "The Overture Of Revolution" - PLANT is in an uproar thanks to the attack by the Requiem from the moon base. By Dullindal's decree, the entire ZAFT force launches for an attack. Yzak's team strikes the Faure, the relay point, and the order to attack the Requiem is given to the Minvera, which had just come to space...

Phase-46 "The Song Of Truth" - Under Dullindal's command, PLANT deals with the aftermath of the Requiem battle. Meanwhile, the Archangel, having been officially accepted into Orb's forces, enters the port of the free moon city Copernicus. Before Lacus and company head out, a red Haro carrying a message appears...

Phase-47 "Meer" - The Lacus assassination attempt using Meer was prevented but there was a sacrifice. Lacus' group returns to the Archangel and, reading Meer's diary, their thoughts linger. Meanwhile, Dullindal announces his "Destiny Plan" to an audience following the Requiem battle...

Phase-48 "To A New World" - The defense policy known as the "Destiny Plan", upon which the fate of humanity rests, is announced by Dullindal. It's said to match all of mankind with positions & roles that correspond to one's own abilities. For everyone to fight for a blessed world without war spoken of by the Chairman. Rey informs Shinn...


Well I guess they changed the title from Heroic Death to Meer.  So now we know who dies.  My specualtion was pretty much way off since I was basing it on "Heroic Death".  But I got the Meer thing right...sorta >_>  And the Destiny Plan, doesn't that seem similar to anyone?  Oh yeah...just EVERY other story uses that.  Oh well it's almost over, just bite down and watch it.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Iamhot on August 23, 2005, 10:23:20 AM
i guess there can only be one Lacus!!!  ;D to bad to the Meer fans
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 23, 2005, 06:58:21 PM
"There can be only one! <slash head>"  :P  And what Meer fans...you mean those crazy people that want a fake identity so they can be worshiped...those Meer fans :)  But seriously, I'm somewhat disappointed that Meer will die.  It's so cliche, but then again this show isn't big on originality either.  I wonder what would have happen if Tomino wrote the story for this series.  Well actually, I already know since I've already seen Zeta.  Though still very far off, I'm already anxious about the next gundam series.  I hope there'll be more Gundams will really fancy wings, cuz they're just cool :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 26, 2005, 10:25:26 PM
 From where I sit there is no mention in any episodes after 50 so i guess  there is going to be a huge fault line of a plot hole in the series.

 Well yea for the death of Meer i didn't like her at all as stated b4 there can only be one lacus. My big question now is if seed is going to be a trilogy and if every gundam from now has to be upgrade (freedom to strike freedom and such) than how the hell are they gonna upgrade the freedom and Justice the way I look at they cant make them better without making it look really bulky and slow looking.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on August 27, 2005, 09:32:37 AM
Well they have time to think about the next seed 3 (if they're going to make it) since next year's gundam will not be seed and because of the slots being filled.  At least that's the word I've heard so far.  As for the upgrades, they can always upgrade in some way.  Freedom might get those energy boosters like Destiny, making the wings look smaller and Justice my get some sort of mobile armor mode instead of the jet pack.  Maybe it won't even be an upgrade but rather a new suit.  In the case of gundam, design doesn't equal functionallity.  They could make it look the same but with added weapons and power.  They could just keep making parts transform and such.  Plus it depends on the time line too.  Look at the UC suits.  In F91 and V, the gundams got smaller yet retain the same amount of power.  Even though no gundam has ever gone through more than 2 incarnation, Seed 3 could be the first.  Who knows, they have 2 years to think about it.  Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing something like "Eternal Freedom" which may have two sets of wings, each set being able to open up to look like the deca wing.  You know those wings on the Eternal, just put that on Freedom and add some weapons to it...there you go, an upgrade :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on August 28, 2005, 09:11:09 PM
Sure, they can just throw beam wings and Dragoon systems on every suit. That way every suit will look exactly the same just with a different paint job (I'm sure Bandai's frothing at the mouth thinking about how they'll only have to build one model and just have several dozen color sets).

Let's face it, if there is a Seed 3, all upgrades will wind up downgrades. There's just nowhere to go from here without looking even more silly than they do already.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on August 29, 2005, 01:57:31 PM
Well they have time to think about the next seed 3

I hope they just end it with Destiny, there is no need for more. On that note, when does Episode 2 of MS Igloo get released... and if it already is... anyone heard of anyone subbing it?

It's pretty bad, but I watch Destiny now... either like or hate the episode, and just don't care. I am just looking forward to the next series and hoping for more... at least if they start anew, there will be far fewer chances for recap eps... just think if they made a SEED3, the recaps would be half the series. *shiver* God, no.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on August 29, 2005, 03:21:43 PM
good point if they made a seed 3 that will probally happen unless they just make a seed 3 a completely new setting where all the old shit has nothing to do with nething, like instead of them being on earth and zaft they can just move sumwhere completely different. Also i'd really like to see Zaft not turn into the bad guys again....its getting old they should put a new vilian faction in cuz this whole earth vs Zaft thing has gone on longer than sum of the people in this forum have been alive....
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on August 29, 2005, 04:29:28 PM
I'd really like to see more MS IGLOO as well, unfortunately it was Cellphone that was subbing it. I don't suppose anybody knows if some of them are still working on it?

I'll throw in my vote for not having another Seed (or at the very least, not a full series, if you must, do a short OAV or movie). Episode 45 just kinda struck me as odd, with the Alliance basically gone, ZAFT is the sole major power in the Earth sphere, so why are there five episodes left? It feels like such a dead end. I assume that Durendall is going to start something that will cause the Archangel and Orb to go against him (good luck with that, considering their last conflict, Orb seems to be the Cosmic Era's whipping boy) and Minerva to turn against him. But, why? He has everything right now. If he just hung back for a while Archangel's crew would get bored and break up again and Orb would grow complacent.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Grahf on August 29, 2005, 07:50:35 PM
I hope they just end it with Destiny, there is no need for more. On that note, when does Episode 2 of MS Igloo get released... and if it already is... anyone heard of anyone subbing it?

I dunno I can't wait for the next episode.  The first one was Really interesting. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on August 30, 2005, 10:35:47 AM
I'll throw in my vote for not having another Seed (or at the very least, not a full series, if you must, do a short OAV or movie).

Yeah, even a 12-13ep OVA would be good... like 8th Teamish or 0083ish. A full series would be rediculous... as much as I like some of the characters in SEED, they are not as timeless to me as Char, Amuro, and their buddies... :-\ Hell, even UC kept coming out with whole new casts, Destiny has a surpising amount of the same exact cast as the last series... that's probably the only piece of originality in the entire series. ^^;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 04, 2005, 07:43:41 AM
Yeah, letting Lacus go to an open stadium full of snipers witout covering her was a great idea...idiots!  I thought coordinators were suppose to be smart.  Yet another point for stupidity of this show.  And not only her, even if they didn't get Lacus but manage to get Athrun or Kira, then AA would have lost major power.  What were they thinking!?  Oh and they finally tried to justify why Kira lost to Shinn...15 ep too late.  And the next episode looks like another clip show.  Please tell me it's not another clip show when there's only 4 more to go.  Every time there's a character name as the title, it's 90% recap.  Seriously, if it's another recap this close to the end, then the director and writers should quit the entertainment business.  You get the feeling that they're actually trying to ruin this series?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on September 04, 2005, 01:58:41 PM
I hear ya. According to the episode blurbs, the next episode will consist of the characters reading Meer's diary, which sounds awful thrilling.

Seriously, episode 47, three episodes remaining and they waste an episode on Meer's back story? Who the hell cares? She was a Lacus fangirl who took things a bit to far, what more is there to say? We don't even know what the final conflict is going to be about, for cryin' out loud. Makes you wonder if their plot for the last story arc was so terrible that they're trying to stall for time.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on September 04, 2005, 05:22:45 PM
Oh, and did anyone catch that the much anticipated Kira/Lacus kiss frickin' happened off-screen?

On the Hiro version, 15:08 to 15:10 (after Kira says ~"Be careful"). Listen to the sound effects.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 05, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
Hmm...maybe this is why Kira hasn't done anything with Lacus yet:

http://img.7andy.jp/bks/images/i5/R0140385.jpg

Kira is more feminine than I thought, haha...that's just an image from Hisashi Hirai's art book, "World of Mobile Suit Gundam Seed".  But you have to wonder why he drew Kira in that outfit.

As for reading Meer's diary, how disturbing would that be if Lacus is the one reading it.  Day1, "Oh, I had my face done to look like Lacus-sama today.  Can't wait till tomorrow for my boob job."  And you know when Meer was killed, Kira was like "Damn it, I coulda had 2 Lacuses" :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on September 05, 2005, 05:24:43 PM
LMAO tru tru and notice that Athrun was sad about it to seeing as he lost the only lacus that would sleep with him with out him.


   The only good thing about ep 47 was the gun fight thats the best shooting Athrun has done all series in fact thats the only time Athrun was main guy in the fight in the series.......its nice they finally give the second best coordinator a chance to shine even though its not in a gundam......

  I dont see how their going to finish this series in three eps its impossible even they have to kno how bad it would turn out if they tried it would be worse than the F@&ked up endings for NGE.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on September 07, 2005, 09:33:06 AM
Translation of the Newtype spoilers by Lacus from the SUTORAIKU! forums, posted by Seraphim on Anime Suki.

ep 47 to the end



PHASE-47 [Meer]
Kira and friends find a media disk containing Meer's diary in her beongings. Meanwhile Chairman Dullindal says in a speech that the cause of the war is mankind's ignorance and desire. He announces that the ultimate relief to this is the "Destiny Plan".

PHASE-48 [Shin Sekai e]
Dullindal announces that the Destiny Plan involves genetic engineering techniques, and analyzation of each individual's nature to assign appropriate roles. Shinn, bewildered by the content of the plan, begins to keep an eye on Dullindal, while Rey attempts to persuade him. As with many other nations, Cagalli prepares to lead Orb in denying the plan. As all this develops, Dullindal orders Requiem to fire at the EA base Alzahel (sp?).

PHASE-49 [Rey]
En route to destroy Requiem's first relay point, the Archangel and the Eternal's way is blocked by the Minerva.

PHASE-50 [Saigo no Chikara]
Athrun & Shinn, and Kira & Rey fight one-on-one. Kira learns the shocking truth about Rey's birth.

Same spoilers translated by shouki




Phase-47 "Meer"
Among Meer's possessions, Kira and co find a media disc with a recording of her diary. Meanwhile, Chairman Dullandal gives a speech saying that "the cause of war is mankind's ignorance and inability to suppress their own desires". He announces the "Destiny Plan" as the ultimate solution for humanity.

Phase-48 "Towards a New World"
The "Destiny Plan" that Dullandal announced involves the use of genetic engineering techniques to investigate everyone's inherent nature, and put them all in their appropriate roles. Shinn is disturbed by the contents of the Plan, but Rey explains that it is their own mission for the world that Dullandal is aiming to create. While contacting all nations equally, as Orb's leader Cagalli rejects the introduction of the Plan and rushes to prepare for war. Against the EA base of Arzachel, acting in concert [with the rejection movement], Dullandal orders Requiem to fire.

Phase-49 "Rey"
The Archangel and Eternal rush to Requiem's first relay point to destroy it, but the Minerva stands in their way.

Phase-50 aka final-phase, "The Last Power" (tentative title)
Athrun and Shinn, and also Kira and Rey engage in one-on-one battles. While fierce fighting continues, Kira learns the hidden shocking truth about Rey's birth.



From Animage ep 48-49 on Gunota Headlines



Phase 48 - "To the New World"
Dullindal implements the ultimate human salvation plan, "Destiny Plan". While people around the world are disturbed at this news, Rey urges Shinn to agree with Dullindal's plan. While rest of the world are deciding to accept Dullindal's plan, Lacus decides to fight against Dullindal to protect the dreams and future of people.

Phase 49 - "Rey"
After reuniting, Archangel and Eternal heads toward the Requiem's first relay point colony. Some of the ZAFT were hesitent towards Lacus' plea to open the path. Combat could not be avoided. Shinn, reflecting back the past events, was perplexed. Dullindal is explaining Shinn that he needs him in order to create a world with no war.

Manipulated until the end.

Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 07, 2005, 12:20:28 PM
That doesn't sound like the series will end on 50.  This is going to be rushed, full of holes, and bad.  Though I am curious to see the one on one battles.  But damn it, I wanted to see Shinn beaten by Kira once and for all.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 07, 2005, 12:47:24 PM
I thought the same, shinaku... that's a pathetic ending. It feels rushed and not exciting in the least... Gundam series thrive on the last 5 eps being crazy awesome, this is going to be a downer to not remember. I don't care how good the animation is, if the plot sucks and has holes and review eps constantly, I am not sure I can still consider it good. I hope they end SEED with this... or make a movie or short OVA to REALLY finish Destiny. They had 50 eps and they end up like this. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on September 07, 2005, 12:53:07 PM
 I actually want athrun to pwn shin because shin was all being a hot shot prick to him just cuz he sunk those ships.

    there is no way this series can possibly end at 50 it would be career suicide unless seed 3 is actually just an OVA that wraps everything up (which would be dumb). If this is how its gonna be they better make a peace offering with the fans like the director and writer's head on a pike!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 08, 2005, 02:58:54 PM
there is no way this series can possibly end at 50 it would be career suicide unless seed 3 is actually just an OVA that wraps everything up (which would be dumb). If this is how its gonna be they better make a peace offering with the fans like the director and writer's head on a pike!

Well one thing is for sure, THIS story and arc will end with the 4 remaining episodes. If a movie or OVA were to be released, it would only really have the characters, and a new, smaller plot to create some kind of comfort to the end. In reality, I think this series already ended... this is just because they did not figure in the "exciting part", so they are just going to have to kill off a few of the main characters so the fans get some action. That's where it went wrong... minus all of the craptastic recaps. I was mad enough watching Wing for the first time and having two eps in a row recaping 25 eps... that was nothing compared to Destiny's crap.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 08, 2005, 04:20:29 PM
Yeah, I feel like the second half of the series was just a waste.  The only good thing I liked about it was that we got to see some new mechs.  Story wise, it could have been told within 5 ep.  They had a lot of potential too, like Rey's story.  They hardly touched on his character.  I mean we know that he hates Kira because Kira killed his "father" but other than that, where's the issues.  And what about Tallia and Dullindal's past?  All they showed us was that they were together, she wanted a kid, they broke up...and is her kid still alive?  Dullindal wasn't even a good bad guy.  What's his motivation, where's the drive, or for that matter, where's the overly complicated yet believable plan?  And the climax is Shinn vs Athrun, and Kira vs Rey?!  That should be happening now.  The only saving grace is Strike Freedom...and that's sad.  Destiny was just a rip off of other MS, I Justice hasn't done anything, Akatsuki...ok THAT's a rip off.  This was one of the worst gundam series.  I still haven't actually seen all of Turn A, but I'll still hate that more.  And I don't mind seeing another Seed series, but it better not be by this team.  And it would be interesting if Athrun or Kira become like Char and become the "bad guy".  Well enjoy yet another recap episode this week, and just watch the rest for the sake of finishing.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 09, 2005, 03:41:59 AM
Well enjoy yet another recap episode this week, and just watch the rest for the sake of finishing.

I am just hoping that some of this "Meer backstory" will be new footage and not just stuff we have seen... even then, I think they are putting way too much effort on the character, as I think there are many other back stories people would rather see... like Rey or between Tallia and Dullindal as you mentioned. Honestly, while Meer was fine as the other Lacus, and that was a good idea.... they are just taking her too far. She's dead, we have 4 eps left, don't give me more, there was already too much of her in the series in my opinion.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on September 09, 2005, 10:17:26 AM
well I think their setting up for the 3rd sequel that probably why its not ending this one with a decent ending
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on September 09, 2005, 12:15:23 PM
Were they setting up for a third series when they decided to make everything after the colony drop suck?

At this point I think their only defence is incompitence, they've managed undo practically everything they did in Seed. Athrun regressed, Kira is almost inhuman (a shame, since he was such a human character in Seed), Cagalli became absolutely useless (what happened to the Cagalli that smacked Kira in the desert?) and even Mwu's heroic death in Seed was cheapened.

They couldn't even handle the new Gundam's they made for the show. Saviour did little more than transform and fly away at every opportunity before being annilated like a Leo in Gundam Wing (quickly and without much fighting back) by Freedom, Akatsuki and IJustice have been involved in only one battle with four episodes to go, SFreedom has been involved in only two, Destroy Gundam rapidly went from a powerhouse of death to mass produced cannon fodder, really the only new Gundam that has been given enough screentime for us to get attached to is Impluse Gundam.

As much as I wanted to like this series and as forgiving as I was in the middle when things were getting dull and stupid decisions were being made, it's time to face up to the fact that Destiny is a failure on pretty much every level.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 09, 2005, 01:25:16 PM
well I think their setting up for the 3rd sequel that probably why its not ending this one with a decent ending

That is no excuse at all, did MSG's ending suck? No, even though they were not planning a sequel. Did Zeta Gundam's ending suck? FUCK NO, and they might have already had ZZ in their minds at that point... hell, most Gundam series have fantastic endings... MSG, Zeta, ZZ, Victory, Wing, X, 0083, SEED, 8th MS Team (minus ep 13, that was more of a special anyway), CCA, the list is practically complete, the only one I would say did not have a "great ending" was 0080... because it was just kind of bland in the first place... it was supposed to be. Oh, and I have not finished Turn A yet, but it IS Tomino, so I am not worried. Do they really need Tomino involved to make the story good? They tried mimicking Zeta for the most part with Destiny, but left out some of the best developments, plot ideas, and characters. It's also way too obvious that Destiny was made to only sell the Gunplas... yes, they all had that intention, but at least they had some substance.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Bishoujomae on September 10, 2005, 11:14:58 AM
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2005/09/10/gundam-seed-destiny-47/

ep 47 is more like a recap sigh...just more talking
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 11, 2005, 03:51:08 PM
That episode was SOOOO bad. But at least we know that was the last recap ep... with 3 eps to go. And who knows, there will probably be more recap scenes. -_- Fucking dammit.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 11, 2005, 04:49:23 PM
Yes the only new thing in that episode was the new song.  That was a total waste of limited time.  I would have been more forgiving if this happen maybe 5 episodes ago.  And the end of recaps...yeah right.  The final episode will probably have a recap of Seed when Kira destroyed Providence.  Not to mention recaps of Shinn moments when Athrun is kicking his ass.  I wonder about something though, is the world of the future so stupid that they'll follow one man, then ends up useless when the man becomes too powerful?  Not a single nation had any kind of reserve plan for situations like this?  It was the EAF vs Zaft, then all of sudden...oh it's Logos that's causing the war, let's instantly team up and fight them based on one man's word.  Now that man is taking over...we're screwed!!  Where's the politics?!  Hell G Gundam had more politics than this show, not to mention less plot holes.  I wonder how many times they changed scripts mid way through the series.  Man I can't believe I'm bad mouthing a gundam series this much.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Zantazuken on September 13, 2005, 05:18:13 PM
Its understandable this gundam series is ending horribly. its gonna miss them gundam stamp of awesome hell whole space battle that was expected I bet if they just not had the recaps so many times and also revealed dullindel maybe 10 eps earlier this could have been salvaged from the hell its going to. needless to say only the really hard core fans are gonna buy the dvds for this series.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 14, 2005, 01:51:19 PM
needless to say only the really hard core fans are gonna buy the dvds for this series.

Like me. >_< I'll take my sweet ass time, though.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 18, 2005, 10:01:11 AM
2 eps to go, and I'm still not feeling anything for the climax.  And another episode titled after a character...we all know that usually means more recap.  Especially when they say "Shinn, reflecting back the past events, was perplexed."  Plus seeing those clips of Luna in the next episode is making me worry.  They better not kill one of better character among the group.  Rather they'll kill her in order to give Shinn a reason to fight on, or they'll keep her alive so that Shinn will have someone to protect.  But given the fan base and the way the story is being told, I don't think they'll make Shinn lose 2 lover interest in one series.  But hey it's hard to predict a story that's as ill-logic as this.  And we better see some awsome display of gundam vs gundam battles.  We still haven't seen I Justice use any weapons other than its beam saber.  Though I'm sure that the Dragoon vs Dragoon battle will be cool.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 18, 2005, 07:13:20 PM
Hah, at least 48 was better than 47... a little better. >_< But yeah, at least the last 2 eps should not be terrible, the plots might not make sense, but some good Gundam fighting should be key.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Freeter on September 18, 2005, 07:35:51 PM
I don't care how bad this show is, chibi Gilbert/Djibril owns all.

More randomness please  ;D
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 18, 2005, 07:43:10 PM
I don't care how bad this show is, chibi Gilbert/Djibril owns all.

More randomness please  ;D

True, that was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on September 20, 2005, 02:35:53 PM
You know, 48 leaves us with some interesting questions about the good folks of the Archangel and Eternal. Now, these are the people that banded together in the last war to put an end to the violence with as little violence as possible (keeping nukes and giant space lasers from hitting targets and such). They were the good guys going against extreme odds in order to do the right thing. So, after the war they all go about there business peaceful-like, right?

But we've already found out that the crew of the Eternal spent their time building new versions of Freedom and Justice as well as the Doms. Also, Archangel was kept around and even upgraded to go underwater while Freedom was repaired. Those aren't real big deals, though, a small gurilla force is useful in the event of terrorists or something. However, in 48 we find that they've been building (or simply massing) a huge fleet of ships.

This isn't a 'keeping the Earth sphere safe' kind of force, this is a 'we are taking over' kind of force. We can safely assume that these aren't Orb ships (considering that they didn't come to Orb's aid when it was being destroyed for the second time), so we're left to assume that Lacus (or someone close to her) was creating this fleet. And for what purpose? Surely a fleet of that size couldn't have been created in the short amount of time Destiny has covered. So we seem to be left to assume that maybe Lacus isn't the peace-loving songstress we thought she was, she has dreams of domination...

Vote Lacus for Empress! (or Kira'll shoot your head off!)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 20, 2005, 07:42:25 PM
These are just my speculations on the events.  Speculations because the show never really touched on the subject...damn plot holes.  Anyway, lets start with AA and Freedom.  AA was repaired and converted because they needed to be kept hidden since they were technically war criminals after Seed.  Plus, much like all the other weapons in Orb, they kept it in case the need to use it should rise...like the Akatsuki that has been kept in storage for two years.  Freedom was done so the same way.  It was locked up with only one set of keys.  As for the Eternal, well I assumed they were rallied together after the war started in GSD, much like the crew of the AA.  I don't know how they got a hold of a factory.  And S Freedom and I Justice were built because they knew that they will head into battle and that Freedom was obsolete.  I don't think they've been designing and building it since the start.  They were built around the same time Kira decided to battle again.  As for the fleet, it was only like 5 ships which are rather from the old Clyne faction or are from the Zaft members that didn't support the Destiny plan.  The other fleet were from the nation that rejected the plan like Orb.  And besides, knowing this series, it probably is possible to obtain a fleet, build new MS, and find new pilots within a week.  We still don't know who those three Dom pilots are.  They've only made like 2 appearence.  And if you really want more plot holes, well the GSD Astray manga goes to a different front totally.  Apparently there are Gundam battles everywhere, yet none of them are around the main base.  Whatever, just watch the last 2 ep and be happy :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on September 20, 2005, 08:31:07 PM
I counted ten ships besides Archangel and Eternal (3 Orb-looking ships with Archangel, 4 ZAFT ships and 3 grey ships I didn't recognize with Eternal). They couldn't have joined up just to go against the Destiny plan, considering that it was announced a few seconds before the fleet formed up, but I do suppose that they could have scrapped together a fleet over the course of a few weeks (though I don't know what excuse they could have used besides, 'Lacus wants YOU! Enlist with the Clyne Faction today!', remember, they haven't had any reason to fight against anybody until the announcement of the Destiny plan).

Personally, I just think it would be interesting if Lacus tried to take over. If they were going to make that the plot for the rumored third series, I might consider supporting it. The comedic value alone could be priceless.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 21, 2005, 04:34:43 PM
Personally, I just think it would be interesting if Lacus tried to take over. If they were going to make that the plot for the rumored third series, I might consider supporting it. The comedic value alone could be priceless.

Sounds like a Neo-SD Gundam plotline to me! That's what they need to do, release SD on DVD and make some new ones and bundle them with Evolve or something (and has ANYONE seen 6-whatever now?!). -_-
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 25, 2005, 07:58:22 AM
No! No more SD!  >_<  The only form SD Gundam should be are the models and the Super Robot Wars series.  Anyway, after seeing ep 49, now I can say that I'm somewhat excited to see the final battle.  The story may suck, but the battles are still good.  And the Akatsuki, damn that thing is a lot stroner than I thought.  I didn't know it had funnels, much less being able to form that shield around the AA.  It's cool seeing that feature brought back as well.  Man, why wasn't that thing given to Kira two years ago?!  When Mwu blocked that shot, I was like..."Great, are they going to kill him again?" :P  Shinn's still being manipulated (think for yourself once and awhile...damn!), and it must be cool having such a well brainwashed clone as your underling.  One thing that annoyed me was that they only used the METEOR for like 10 mins.  That was just a waste.  Now let's see how they end this series.

Oh, check this Q&A about upcoming model kits:

Q: Will you be making 1/100 Gaia & Abyss kits?
A: If there's a lot of requests for them. We're currently considering the Infinite Justice.

Q: Will the HG series start doing DESTINY MSV?
A: After the end of the TV broadcast, we're considering MS that haven't been turned into kits so far.

Q: How about an HG or 1/100 Blast Impulse?
A: We're also looking at that.

Q: What about a kit of the Astray Gold Frame Amatu?
A: There's been so many requests, even inquiries through mail and over the phone. It's being looked into.

They might as well say, "Yes we are currently looking in to making more money on the mechs that weren't even in the show."  Though I'll admit that I would buy the Abyss, I Justice, and Gold Frame :P  You gotta have the Justice standing next to Freedom :)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on September 25, 2005, 10:04:59 AM
No! No more SD!  >_<  The only form SD Gundam should be are the models and the Super Robot Wars series.

Are you kidding me? You actually don't like the original SD Gundam? O_o It's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 25, 2005, 02:34:33 PM
I don't know which one was the original.  I know I've seen some of the old animated ones with the MKII I think.  That and the crappy SD Gundam Force.  So base on those, no...no more SD for me.  But damn I wish they would bring at least one Super Robot War or SD Gundam Generations to the US.  Those were fun, cept that I don't understand the text.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: ironbomb on September 26, 2005, 09:26:34 AM
I don't know which one was the original. I know I've seen some of the old animated ones with the MKII I think. That and the crappy SD Gundam Force. So base on those, no...no more SD for me. But damn I wish they would bring at least one Super Robot War or SD Gundam Generations to the US. Those were fun, cept that I don't understand the text.


I actually got one of the games lol in US, but the text i dont understand but i still beat it =D.
I seen the SD guardian gundam force show on tv and i hated it, only watched 1 ep and couldnt stand it. It was just horrible.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on September 26, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
No! No more SD!  >_<  The only form SD Gundam should be are the models and the Super Robot Wars series.

Are you kidding me? You actually don't like the original SD Gundam? O_o It's fucking awesome.

It's impossible not to love the original SD shorts, especially if you have seen UC. My sister doesn't even like Gundam and she loved them...  ::)

I don't really have much to say on Destiny, I agree with everything thats been said. But I was almost gonna turn off the episode and never finish the series when i thought Mwu was going to die in the exact same fashion AGAIN, right when Minerva whipped out the positron I was instantly thinking "Oh dear god please don't tell me they are going to do what I think they're doing...". And I really can't take the stock footage and flashbacks anymore, shame on you Fudaka. Shame Shame. *raises glass* Here's to the next series, whatever it may be, not sucking.

On a closing note, it really irks me that this series had potential...and they blew it.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on September 26, 2005, 08:11:00 PM
This just occurred to me.  In this episode, they showed flashbacks of how Mwu was bandaged up after he blew up in Seed.  Did anybody questioned that scene, and the entire believability of that situation?  He was bandage or in a cast from head to toe, which means that he had to sustain heavy damage.  Heavy enough to have damaged his space suit.  Damaged space suit in space means death.  A human may survive in space for about 5 mins or so, that is given that he can still regulate his breathing a bit, and even then he should be coughing out blood.  Mwu was presumed unconcious when Strike blew up.  So giving the fact that he did survived the explosion (where the entire unit was completely destroyed!!), he would have to have been recued within minutes.  I don't remember seeing a ship next to the AA when that happened.  Yes I know the entire situation was hard to believe in the first place, and fine, we were willing to except that maybe he had his suit on when they removed the floating helmet in the special edition of Seed.  But after thinking about it, I just can't do that.  Alright this ends my rant on that. 

As a side topic, I don't think anybody other than Rey and maybe Dullindal is going to die anymore.  Not unless they're going to kill of everybody in the last half hour of the series.  And god damnit what's the deal with Tallia's kid?  Don't tell me they're going to show her at the end returning home and everything's all happy.  Here's to next series, Kampai!  What's it call?!  Turn-G Gundam Destiny...awww hell!!! >_<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on October 01, 2005, 10:30:52 PM
Just finished watching ep50.

Did anyone else find it boring? Seems like all that happened was Kira and company blew everything up. And why did Talia decide to die?

Moreover, why am I not convinced that the good guys won? Right at the very end it felt like Archangel and company were a conquering army while our two plucky heroes, Sinn and Luna were only able to watch in tears. To add to the effect, Kira probably killed hundreds when he blew up that facility (completely unnessisarily, too, once the Genesis weapons was taken out).

Let's hope this is the end of Mitsuo "Clipshow" Fukuda's reign over Gundam. (anyone else find it ironic that the credits were made up of old clips?)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 02, 2005, 07:47:31 AM
I hear you.  That ending wasn't "complete" at all.  Makes me wonder what the special episode that will come out with the dvd will be like.  I'm confused about Talia too.  So she actually had a kid that's not Rey...right?  And if so, she just decided to leave this world and let the kid grew up without her?  If the kid is Rey...wtf?! 

The battles weren't even all that good.  Most of them were just reused battle footage.  Kira vs Rey wasn't even really a battle.  Just flashbacks and funnels flying everywhere.  Shinn vs Athrun...um it was kinda cool seeing gundam doing kicks and such.  And Athrun didn't even go into seed mode!!  And damn it we still didn't see Justice use any of its weapons.  It has that beam boomerang in its shield that turns into a sword, and those beam slicers on the legs...where were they?! 

And was it just me or did the fact that Rey shot Gil was very uncharacteristic of him?  I mean the entire series, he was like "The Chairman is right...blah blah blah", then after having Kira yelled at him about things that are common sense he decided on the future instead...then he died.  And let's not forget his manly cry. :P 

As for Thrid's comment, well I think it feels that way is because there weren't any huge emotional obstacle that they had to go through.  This battle seemed like any other battle.  Where as in Seed, Athrun had to deal with his father, Cagalli wanted Athrun to live on, Kira lost Frey, etc.  Shinn and Luna were so indecisive that they just made their fight pointless.  I don't see them in tears because of how they lost, but rather because they were totally useless in battle.  You would cry to if you went from main character to some back character :P

So yeah, not happy with the ending.  The only character that I still have any respect for (being a Lacus and Luna fanboy aside) is Merlyn.  She was the only one that acted right in her given situation.  I just couldn't like the characters in this series.  How could I, they keep bringing new ones in and changing everything.  And yes, let's hope that the rage of fans make them hire a new director.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on October 02, 2005, 09:29:46 AM
I think Rey just called Talia 'mother' because he was just as desperate for a mother as he was for a father (thus that weird happy outburst he had upon seeing Gilb way back in the middle of the series, around when they picked up Orange-Gouf). Really, Rey could have been a half-decent character. They could have used him to bring new light to Rau, to kinda show how Rau might have been if he had ever been loved as a child or something like that. Could have redeemed him along with Shinn. Instead they wasted all that time on clip shows and Cagalli crying.

Not only did the fail to make us care about the characters, they couldn't even get the mechs right. Normally when watching the last couple episodes of a Gundam series, I'm almost as worried about the mechs as I am about the characters, but I couldn't bring myself to care about almost any mech in that entire battle (except for maybe Impluse). They threw out so many mechs in the last episodes that we didn't get a chance to get to know any of them.

Jeeze, Shinn and Luna didn't really even see the light at the end, I see no reason for them not to hold a grudge against Athrun and the Archangel crew.

shinaku nailed it regarding Meryin, though, she was the only new character that seemed to have any mind at all (which was surprising, considering that she wasn't even much of a character throughout the whole first half of the series). Man, I had such high hopes for this series, remember how thrilling the battles in episode 2 were? I think that's where the whole thing peaked.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 02, 2005, 07:35:35 PM
Let's hope this is the end of Mitsuo "Clipshow" Fukuda's reign over Gundam. (anyone else find it ironic that the credits were made up of old clips?)

Yeah, I laughed pretty hard at that... they could have used that last ending to maybe show where everyone headed to... added SOME closure. But nope, one more recap section, just incase we missed all the rest.

That episode was even more disappointing then I was expecting. Gundam SEED Destiny officially sucked ass. Rey got the ass kicked out of him real fast.... as did Shinn. There was very littile concluded and Gil, who was so on top of things the entire series, was incredibly surprised that Kira and Co took out his huge weapon with almost no effort in the last ep. It's like that just ended all of his plans and he want from being confident to practically crying.

And yeah, I don't know what the deal is with Talia's "kid"... I figured I was just missing something, but I don't know. And also, when was the last time Athrun talked to Cagalli? 15 episodes ago? Seriously, this series had HUGE issues. Bandai better notice this and not make the same bad mistakes. No more copying the orginals, this put a huge damper on that and just makes it stupid. SEED did a fairly good job with MSG, Destiny looked like it would be a great new Zeta until we hit the first recap and we realized it was all going to go to shit. NO MORE. No more Goufs, Zakus, or Doms. No more plot lines that are closer than the typical colony drops and Earth vs Colony.

And the mecha, God, as cool as they look, they are all far too similar. And way too many of them, they need to make a Turn 'A' 2 to get us back on track with what Gundam should be about: the characters and plot. The mecha are important, but its obvious they had trouble with everything else. So unless everything else is fixed, there is no need for a "cool Gundam or 20".

SEED might be in my top 5 series, but Destiny goes right smack between Wing and G (but still above SD Gundam Force). Congrats, Bandai!

Now where's my MS Igloo?! I NEED more now after watching that shit.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: VeX on October 03, 2005, 06:05:33 AM
Somehow.... the end of Destiny was almost predictable for me.  It was obvious from the start of the final battle (last two eps) that Kira et al would just mow down the opposition (Yes yes, I'm a big fan of the AA side).  Look at the trumps of each side and how they match against each other:

AA vs Minerva - Marrue vs. Gladys, Neuman (God of dodging) vs. some shmoe, and we see AA wins in this round. But for the sake of argument let us assume that these two would end with a stalemate.

Freedom vs. Legend, Justice vs. Destiny - This isn't even funny, but again just for the sake of argument, let's say its equal.

The Destiny Trinary (the DOMS) vs. Jules squad - could have been a point for ZAFT.... if Izak wasn't smart since he saw he'd get pwned if he didn't switch sides.  Point to ORB side.

Akatsuki vs. Impulse - He who makes the impossible possible vs. Ms. I'm the next Stella.   No contest.... Funnels own... that and Athrun takes her out with her boyfriend singlehandedly (and even saves Luna from Shin's rage while he's at it).

METEOR + Eternal vs. Messaiah + Neo Genesis - Even since the METEORS take down ships  and MS units alike as the Freedom and Justice blaze by, and the Genesis blasts at the cannonfodder of the ORB side.

Overflow Unit:
Gaia - Yes, I was actually expecting the Desert Tiger to also show some pwnage.... but, the Hyaku Shi--- Akatsuki's brightness stunned Andrew I guess.

Okay... so there was only one overflow unit.... but the funnel users count for a lot in the Blitzkrieg performed by the ORB forces.   And don't let me get into the quality of the pilots for each side....

Overall, the end, although expected, was not as satisfying as it could have been....
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 03, 2005, 09:22:33 AM
Wow, you actually bothered breaking down that excuse of a battle. ^^;; I think that ending was obvious from a long time ago... it was just so obvious that I think many were hoping that it would not be the case. Which is why it was so bad. >_<
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 03, 2005, 09:43:58 AM
Oh yeah I forgot about Shinn almost killing Luna.  You know that if he did, he would have blamed Athrun for that.  Damn why did he lived.  The one saving grace for this series was for them to kill Shinn.  It's not like anybody likes him anyway.  And about that battle breakdown, yeah I didn't care enough to actually think about that, but it make sense.  During the battle, I did find a couple lines funny.  Like when Kira said to Rey, "Your life is yours to live (or something like that)" and then he blast Rey full force...ok now you can die.  Or when Mwu said that "Numbers aren't everything" and then shoots out all his funnels to take out like 2 guys...I guess numbers matter.  Anyway, the series is over and now I'll have to find something else to watch on Sunday mornings.  I'm actually hoping that they'll make a short oav giving us closure of the loose ends...not an oav that recaps the series...you hear that Bandai, no more recaps!!!  Hmm...maybe I'll actually finish Turn A now that I don't have a new series to watch.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 03, 2005, 05:12:41 PM
I'm actually hoping that they'll make a short oav giving us closure of the loose ends...not an oav that recaps the series...you hear that Bandai, no more recaps!!!  Hmm...maybe I'll actually finish Turn A now that I don't have a new series to watch.

Haha, yeah, SEED Destiny Special Edition: 6 more recap episodes!

I really think all of the Bandai Executives would be assassinated for that. ^^;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on October 03, 2005, 06:22:14 PM
Gunota (http://aeug.blogspot.com/) says that the final Destiny DVD will have a 40 minute special episode. But somehow I think it'll take more than 40 minutes to fix Destiny. Won't be out till February, anyway.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: VeX on October 03, 2005, 07:17:16 PM
Wow, you actually bothered breaking down that excuse of a battle. ^^;; I think that ending was obvious from a long time ago... it was just so obvious that I think many were hoping that it would not be the case. Which is why it was so bad. >_<

I had to.... I personally liked the designs of G Seed and GSD and even if the plot just didn't live up to the hype, I at least had to have justification (I need an excuse) to say that the mecha rocked.... or why they performed as poorly they did... look at Impulse final battle and compare to Strike final battle:
Both may have been pwned by stronger units but due to the pilot at the time, we all felt that the strike rocked more since after getting beaten by the Providence, it manages to still save the AA.  Impulse on the other hand.... limped to it's pilot's pwned boyfriend.... true, I liked the scenes of the Destiny and the Impulse in one screen be it in combat or on the lunar surface (it was stylish)..... but it was no excuse for its shabby performance.

And I guess I still need to rant out on one more thing..... I still prefer Freedom over the Strike Freedom.... the SF may have been stronger, newer, faster and had DRAGOONS.... but the original Freedom still held more emotion in its battles and in its use....  A desperate run of the AA from the cyclops was more stylish (and held more desperation) than the Eternal being chased by grunts.  The struggle between the Freedom and Providence   and SF vs. Legend... well, it came down to the pilot, Rey sucked and I would disaggree that he was Rau (who rocked as a pilot).... He was no such thing.

Oh, then lets start a running count on the number of times they showed the new mecha.... SF - what, 3 battles? and that's it.  Freedom.... Cyclops, ORB Mass Driver, I don't need to continue.

If anyone shined (literally) in GSD, it was Mwu La Fraga.  Give him the shiny Akatsuki, give it funnels, reflective beam coating that could handle main positron cannon blasts.  A past to be regained, a love recaptured.... he played 3 sides of the conflict (he was a voice in one of the ZAFT bridge scenes).  He played a savior, a bad guy, a good guy, got on many a unit and used them well.... unlike Athrun (who I will rant about later) on his Saviour.  Points to him AND a special mention to the darkhorse Hawke sister, Meyrin.  The cute bridge bunny who SHOULD have kept her hair down cause I say so (admit it, she looked much hotter hair down against ponytail).  She was a background character who practically got her own episode and got to eat up a LOT of screentime with her "crush".... much more screentime than a certain Cagalli.... Speaking of the guy in the middle...

Now, I will make the ULTIMATE excuse for the series: why Athrun rocked, sucked a long time, then suddenly rocked.  Yes, I really will make one AND make it sound plausible. 

Envy.... yes ENVY.... and he was smart (or held the series script the whole time)  at the very start, he was skilled enough to hold off 3 gundam class opponents while his girl at the time was inside with him IN A ZAKU.  Okay, he still rocked.... then he LOST HIS GIRL.... envious of a certain Yamato who had all the chicks with him, he knew he had to get some.... but how? He later drops from space again in a Zaku (with a busted leg) to earth.  Here, he just let himself be skilled enough to survive, in order to get to the next stage of his plan: Get more girls.  And ZAFT was the place to be. Kira had most of the ORB girls in his palm especially after rescuing Cagalli (eww incest).  At ZAFT he still had many to choose from: Meer(he still wanted Lacus? or a replacement), Gladys and the Hawke Sisters.  All of which adored him or at the very least respected him. 

But HOW TO GET THEM? play a Kira Yamato.... show them growth, shed a few tears, let them comfort you.... yeah, that's the stuff.  He held himself back ON PURPOSE when he got back in his new Saviour.  He knew two things:  It wasn't a Justice or even an Aegis, it was just a prettified Murasame.  And he knew that ZAFT isn't the place to be, ORB was.... no way you want to fight against Kira + AA, ever (Yzak knew this, he learned first hand).

So he held himself back enough NOT to get the spotlight on him while charming the hell out of everyone with his <cough> mature composure.  And he had a lot of action going for him, not in mech, but more importantly in character.  He had a bed scene with Meer(also the funny followup), a stalker in Luna and the like... when the Freedom was destroyed, he knew he had to return to ORB.... the new units curtesy of Lacus would be coming along.  He tried to escape with as many girls as he could.  Not Gladys (Gil) or Luna (Shin).... but Meer!  He tried, but he doesn't have Kira's charm (who later turned Meer with just an outstretched hand and no flashbacks, Fukuda had to get her killed just to keep Kira's harem small).  Failing that, he tried another.... Surprise! Meyrin kinda was a great bridge bunny/hacker.  Then he holds off Destiny and Legend on a GOUF Ignited.  Skill up time.   Then he gets the Inf. Justice and shows ZAFTside the true meaning of PWNAGE.

So you see, Athrun had the skill.  He just held himself back ESPECIALLY when he got the Saviour.  And that's why its one of the most underappreciated mecha second only to Andrew's Gaia.

Shameless plug: check out my Gundam Funnies thread at the Beast's Lair.... lots of SPOILERS on practically every Gundam series I've watched (I'll also copy my last two posts and transfer it there later: http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=amg&action=display&thread=1125818729
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 03, 2005, 09:41:37 PM
*claps* That was an awsome way to look at it.  Hell I would have prefered that explaination over the actual crap they gave us.  If he had only cried like a weeping animal more, then he would have had the Kira charm :P  And yes, Merlyn was way hotter with her hair down...but she's no Lacus :P
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 04, 2005, 03:40:58 AM
Haha, yeah, that was a great explanation. WAY better than the straight forward answer. I guess everything always comes down to the chicks. ^^;;
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on October 04, 2005, 09:11:30 PM
http://myspace-824.vo.llnwd.net/00249/42/83/249063824_l.jpg

I screencaped that, it was the only real redeeming factor for me, and it wasn't on the show's part.

I thought the ending was complete crap....
My Complaints:
-What Talia and Rey did seemed out of character to me.  And theres this "Oh and btw, I'm about to leave my child all alone in the world so I can die for this piece of crap, it'd be nice if you could say hello to him sometime."
-Kira probably killed over a 1000 people when he had always made a stance not to unless absolutely necessary...and it wasn't here.
-Battles weren't even that interesting and too brief.
-I had to see that stupid montage of people being shot AGAIN
-Shinn didn't die.
-Shinn lived .
-Shinn only had a tiny scratch on his face it seemed.
-And to top it off I was treated to another clip show. Had to have one last hurrah didn't you Fudaka?

Theres my 2 cents, better luck next time Bandai, and even better luck for your safety if you ever hire Fudaka again.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: shinaku on October 05, 2005, 08:51:22 PM
Well it seemed that the "40 min special" that was suppose to have come out with the last dvd has, at least for now, been removed. 

Gunota:
ES Toys has now removed the 40 minute "special episode" from the DVD details.

So maybe it was one of those recap specials, like the Editted special that they showed half way through the series.  Or maybe they just saw the fan's reaction and decided to cancel the entire project.  Or better yet, after seeing the reaction, they decided to make a real ending instead. 

After letting it sink in for awhile, I've come to the conclustion that this is THE worst Gundam series.  Yes, G Gundam was better, at least it had consistency with the plot and characters.  Plus it was hard to concentrate on that plot with Gundams shooting fireballs and turning super saiyan. 
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 06, 2005, 03:36:07 AM
After letting it sink in for awhile, I've come to the conclustion that this is THE worst Gundam series.  Yes, G Gundam was better, at least it had consistency with the plot and characters.  Plus it was hard to concentrate on that plot with Gundams shooting fireballs and turning super saiyan. 

I was just thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Besides it's plot NEVER getting too sidetracked from what they stated from the very beginning (searches for brother so he can kill him), the ending was so, so, so much better than Destiny's. Destiny is still better than SD Gundam Force, though... IMO. I am sure plenty of people actually think that might be better. >_<;;;; I don't know about G-Saviour though... that is just so awful.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Thrid on October 06, 2005, 06:37:13 AM
I think Destiny is the first Gundam where neither the plot, nor the characters made any sense. Even G-Savior was consistant in those regards (even if it was dull and pointless). Shoot, if you take it for what it was, G Gundam actually did a rather good job with its characters and plot (over the years, I've kinda developed a soft spot for G Gundam). Frankly, Gundam X's ending was better, even taking into account the whole 'Newtypes as mutations not evolution' doesn't make any sense.

As for SD Gundam Force, if it can't fit into Turn A's Gundam universe, I don't think it actually counts as Gundam (much like old school SD Gundam (but at least that was funny)).
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on October 06, 2005, 08:37:21 PM
As for SD Gundam Force, if it can't fit into Turn A's Gundam universe, I don't think it actually counts as Gundam (much like old school SD Gundam (but at least that was funny)).

Super Deformed Gundam was never supposed to be an actual series though, its kind of like the Evolve episodes if anything... just something extra for the fans.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Odd on December 16, 2005, 04:10:12 PM
i've found that gundam wing and it's movie "endless Waltz" were my absolute favs. the art was just so much more better.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on January 11, 2006, 03:39:33 PM
i've found that gundam wing and it's movie "endless Waltz" were my absolute favs. the art was just so much more better.

Really? O_o What other Gundam series have you seen?
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: anime-master on January 14, 2006, 05:27:15 PM
Yeah the Gundam Wing Series and Gundam Wing Endless WaltZ was amazing.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Dragoon on March 06, 2006, 11:45:40 PM
Loved Endless Waltz

anyways Destiny was completley off for me everything was massively overpowered
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 14, 2006, 04:15:05 PM
What do you mean overpowered?

I thought GSD was alright, the story could've been better at the end. I'd watch this series again.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on March 15, 2006, 06:29:30 AM
I'd watch this series again.

How could you bare it again?!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 17, 2006, 08:43:20 PM
Because there are some points I did enjoy.

I just watched it dubbed version...I am not impressed. They butchered every voice except for two and the original characters. My recommendation is if you want to watch GSD again, watch it in japanese.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Feathehrbling on March 28, 2006, 07:46:53 AM
Meh, the whole 50 eposide of gundam and most of the eposide are talking and about flashback

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~Featherbling
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Kairu de Large on March 29, 2006, 04:35:58 PM
What do you mean overpowered?


He means it's power is absurd and ridiculous and any other MS(thats not a Gundam piloted by a main character) is reduced to pure cannon fodder when pitted against it. I.E. Wing Zero
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on March 29, 2006, 04:46:10 PM
Well they can't be compared to the other MSuits because of the time difference and because they will never actually compete. As for overpower that is also not true. It comes down to the talents of the pilot. If I jumped into a overpowered MS now and tried to fight against an experienced and talented MS pilot in a weaker MS, I can safely say I would lose. It just seems like the Freedom and Justice are overpowered because of the enemies they faced.

One more thing as far as machines like the Freedom and Justice, no one had something like that until the end of GS. No one knew how to build one. So the ones they did build would seem weaker in comparision due to the fact that they are still learning. (Plus you can't have the main characters seem weak when they are suppose to be the heroes lol)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: blade25 on March 29, 2006, 06:24:52 PM
I feel that something is not right in the last episode ( eps 50 ) cause it seems that no Main Character or Sub Character died in the EAF side ( Earth Alliance Force) and in Gundam seed in the last episode Mu la Flaga (sry dont know the spelling), Flaye, the 3 pilots of Strike rouge, and some more i know that i cant compare but y????? (can anyone answer)
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on April 07, 2006, 12:34:00 AM
Well they can't be compared to the other MSuits because of the time difference and because they will never actually compete. As for overpower that is also not true. It comes down to the talents of the pilot. If I jumped into a overpowered MS now and tried to fight against an experienced and talented MS pilot in a weaker MS, I can safely say I would lose. It just seems like the Freedom and Justice are overpowered because of the enemies they faced.

One more thing as far as machines like the Freedom and Justice, no one had something like that until the end of GS. No one knew how to build one. So the ones they did build would seem weaker in comparision due to the fact that they are still learning. (Plus you can't have the main characters seem weak when they are suppose to be the heroes lol)

There's a lot I disagree with that... what do you mean they can't be compared to other MS because of the "time difference"? Some of the MS made in Destiny were newer than some of the Gundams used in Destiny. And it is most certainly true that they were overpowered. Now, while it's still perfectly fine to enjoy the Gundam series which put Gundams on a God-status (Wing, SEED, Destiny), they ARE overpowered. They almost never get a scratch on them... and if they lose a limb or blow up, the only possibility is another Gundam did it. And even then, the only reason for this to happen in the series is strictly because that Gundam is getting too "boring" (although in Destiny, there were many which barely got any actual ACTION), but mostly because Bandai wants to sell more model kits and in order to do that, the main character needs a new ride.

If you look to the other Gundam series as examples... in 0079, the Gundam had to be repaired by Amuro all the time. That's mostly just from fighting Zakus... in 08th MS Team, they were getting blown to pieces (GM head, anyone?)... although those WERE mass produced... 0080 didn't really show much of the Gundam Alex, in 0083... geez, he just kept getting blown out of the sky, but the only reason it was always from the GP-02 was because that's the only person he was even after... in Zeta and ZZ they do repair them sometimes... but overall, they did actually have difficulty with many MS, they didn't just fly by and *boom* down goes another Hizack... CCA was pretty strictly a God-based-battle, but that was between the best Amuro and Char we've ever seen, so it's to be expected after their lives... in Victory Gundam, they destroyed Gundam parts CONSTANTLY (haha... probably every episode), F91... eh, too short... Gundam X they are repairing the Gundams after any encounter... in Turn 'A' they are always working on it (although that is pretty damn strong too... that DID come from a time period that made far better suits than the others used, though)... and even in G Gundam, Gundams obviously got destroyed left and right, even the main character got beat around plenty.

See? NOT invincible. The SEED and Destiny Gundams ARE overpowered.

Also, I think even if a pilot was half decent, and was thrown into Justice (and knew how to use it), he'd have a decent chance against a Gundam pilot in a Jin. I mean... come on. The fire power alone... and speed. The guy would only need to get a single half-crappy shot to hit the Jin and you can say "bye bye Gundam pilot!"

(Plus you can't have the main characters seem weak when they are suppose to be the heroes lol)

You seem to miss the entire point of Gundam, my dear boy. Yes, you can consider Amuro, Camille, Judau, Shiro, Heero, Kira... ALL 50+ Gundam pilots "heroes". However, each and EVERY one has major issues. They are almost all young and angsty in their own way. Whether they whine all the time, don't really want to fight, get into trouble, gets psychologically unstable, gets a member of the crew killed, sees their parents die, sees their little loli sister die, has no emotions, etc.... they ALL have issues. None of them are considered to be "typical" heros, so I doubt they worried about them looking like heroes. Plenty of Gundam series exploited their characters' weaknesses, both on and off the battle field. They are all so confused and in need of a ton of help when it comes to anything but killing people. Almost like it's a METAPHOR for something... like *gasp* REAL soldiers. :) Don't you just love the subtle nuiances of Gundam? Gotta love anti-war anime.

I feel that something is not right in the last episode ( eps 50 ) cause it seems that no Main Character or Sub Character died in the EAF side ( Earth Alliance Force) and in Gundam seed in the last episode Mu la Flaga (sry dont know the spelling), Flaye, the 3 pilots of Strike rouge, and some more i know that i cant compare but y????? (can anyone answer)

Well, if I understand the question correctly... because they didn't want to? There was significantly less death overall in Destiny anyway...
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: werishee113 on November 04, 2006, 09:11:39 AM
so..who will it be. Athrun and Cagalli or Athrun and Meyrin. I really need to know!!!
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Judau on November 07, 2006, 10:21:24 AM
so..who will it be. Athrun and Cagalli or Athrun and Meyrin. I really need to know!!!

That was probably one of the most underdeveloped plot points in Destiny. This means they don't care, so it probably doesn't even matter. That's one of the things that was pissing me off the most watching Destiny.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: Aoshi101 on November 09, 2006, 08:56:35 AM
Destiny had so many plot mistakes its not even funny. It was still enjoyable to an extent but it really needs some work. Maybe an a-bomb dropped on it and remade from scratch?

Rehashing old work was the most disappointing. I ain't talking about taking from old series like Gundam Wing or something, I am talking about the fact that they pretty much copied word for word from Gundam Seed. All they did was change the names in places. Pretty disappointing.
Title: Re: Gundam Seed Destiny-Episode Discussion Thread(Spoilers)
Post by: lostsouls1991 on July 17, 2007, 02:07:55 PM
jep i agree but i still found it amusing (srry i haven't watched the classics yet)
so..who will it be. Athrun and Cagalli or Athrun and Meyrin. I really need to know!!!

That was probably one of the most underdeveloped plot points in Destiny. This means they don't care, so it probably doesn't even matter. That's one of the things that was pissing me off the most watching Destiny.

I would like to know that also i mean Cagalli X Athrun wuz my fav couple i really would like to know where that ended (cause she wasn't wearing the ring in the end etz.)