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Title: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Noose on May 19, 2004, 11:59:48 PM
In case no one knows, E3 was last week. Nintendo unveiled a new handheld, suprisingly not the new Gameboy, called the DS. Dual screens, which so-far, the bottom screen is being used mostly for maps, but could be used for a lot more in the future.
And Sony enters the handheld arena, with previously unveiled PSP. It's big..
DS:
(http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/NinDS_thumb.jpg)

PSP:
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/news/05/11/psp/psp_screen009.jpg)

So far, I'm liking the DS more. The best thing the PSP has going for it is the new MGS game, which looks to part part Action, part card game...

EDIT: Sorry, the second pic is kind of big, but it's a good pic for showing the actual size of it.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: metroid on May 20, 2004, 04:58:44 AM
Just a quick thought before im late for my calculus class: the DS is way to freakin big but i saw an e3 vid and it can do some awesome stuff. dunno about the dual screens thing nintendo is doing im just going to wait and see how that turns out.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Niros on May 20, 2004, 10:02:13 PM
have to wait to get my hands on them but so far I think the DS is better the PSP is just huge
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Seifer on May 20, 2004, 11:59:55 PM
Psp is better, it will be the walkman of the century as they say.. Can play music, and will be able to play dvd's.

Edit: Oh and the disc's sony will be using for the psp are very small and will be able to hold up to 1.4gb of space.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Noose on May 21, 2004, 12:14:09 AM
Well, I think the hands in that pic are small. It doesn't loot too big, I guess.
(http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/news/05/11/psp/psp_screen002.jpg)
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: metroid on May 21, 2004, 08:33:19 AM
il just keep my gameboy i got back in '89  :P
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Transcending Kanzaki on May 21, 2004, 09:49:48 AM
PSP.  

I think I might get it..one day.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: metroid on May 21, 2004, 10:20:24 AM
I would like to know how much these are going to cost too. Im expecting the PSP to be quite a bit.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on May 21, 2004, 12:43:49 PM
DS all the way.

'cause its nintendo , can play near gamecube quality games, and its nintendo , and you can carry it.

oh and its supposed to be released in fall , at a price of $150 which is more than fair.

check www.gamespot.com for E3's video demonstration of it which is unbelievable , (its touch screen)

(cant be bothered to give a direct link)
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on May 21, 2004, 02:16:29 PM
DS all the way.

'cause its nintendo , can play near gamecube quality games, and its nintendo , and you can carry it.

not even close. the DS's graphics capabilities are so far under the Nintendo 64. PSP is pretty much PS2 quality, and in some aspects it even surpasses it. as for Metal Gear Acid being the only big game, that's also not true. right now there is a huge launch lineup for the PSP, with games like the aforementioned Metal Gear Acid, Gran Turismo 4, Ape Escape, and Hot Shots golf, just to name a few big name ones. Gran Turismo will definitely be the biggest game out of the launch. the graphics are as good as the PS2 versions, which is incredible for a handheld. GT4 will be the game most people will buy a PSP for. that said, you probably know which system i like over the other, however, that doesn't mean i don't like the DS, oh no. i will definitely buy both systems as they both will be awesome.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on May 21, 2004, 02:39:14 PM
wha???

are you kidding ?, have you seen the trailer? , it does surpass the N64 at least it did a few hours ago when i watched it , c'mon , 'mario 64 x 4' has 64 graphics and it has multiplayer with 4 characters  on screen.

just look at the screenshots for metriod hunters thats at least N64 quality. plus the screen is real busy.

not that the psp's not good or anything theyre both great but i like nintendo games better.

ive seen the psp screen shots and yeah they are near ps2 graphics, but the screenshots for the DS are supposed to be demos according to E3 so ill wait till a magazine compares them both, but i really would hate to miss the zelda games on the DS better graphics or not..
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on May 22, 2004, 08:51:19 AM
(http://images.1up.com/imageapp/large_image/7/l_051104_sm64x4-ds_ss-06_06_sid126849.jpg)

yeah, pretty much N64 quality, but slightly worse. though the graphics will improve by the systems launch, however, there is a huge gap between the N64 and Gamecube.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on May 22, 2004, 08:54:14 AM
well metroid hunters looked better, it was wierd the lighting effects an all looked amazing, but the weapons and texture of the walls and scenery seemed to be neglected, like i said in another thread, i watched nintendos E3 talk for an hour and I feel a bit brainwashed, its a great feeling...
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Transcending Kanzaki on May 22, 2004, 10:57:36 AM
GT on the PSP may be the only reason why I would get the PSP.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on May 22, 2004, 02:13:53 PM
what about metal gear?

Does the PSP have the wireless multiplayer and internet play thing? (Wi-Fi), some nintendo guy said not only can you play multiplayer from a hundred feet but from across the world, i hang on to their every word now...
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Noose on May 24, 2004, 12:40:07 AM
Silly Clash. I did not mean MGS was the only big game coming out on the PSP, I meant it was the only game that really interested me.

And Saiyyan: The DS does have good graphics, though, IMO, not near as good as the N64s- but Metroid Hunters looks like shit on the DS. Sorry, but it just doesn't look good at all.. :(
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Beauty In A Bullet on May 24, 2004, 12:47:48 AM
I think I like the psp better, though I could never buy it..
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: NintendoPunk05 on May 24, 2004, 01:55:37 PM
Let me start off by saying that there are a million of these forums on gaia, so i've heard many different opinions,

Next, i (along with 1000000 other fellow gaians believe that the DS will outdue the PSP.  Here are reasons that i have compiled...

1)  Backwards Compatibility

--The Nintendo DS can play all gameboy games, giving it an instant library of over 1000 games.

2)  Long battery life

--The DS's battery life is said to be longer than that of the SP's, whereas the PSP's battery life is 2 hours, not nearly enough time to watch a movie

3)  Durability

--As fiollowing suit with all other nintendo systems, the DS will be the most durable.  ( Ever hear those horror stories with the GBA's?)

4)  Graphics

--The DS's graphics are superior to those of the N64, the images that are posted here are ENLARGED, making it pixellated.

There's what i have to say.

P.S.  The PSP can't play dvd's you have to buy special UMD DVD's and i doubt anyone would want to do that.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on May 24, 2004, 02:12:25 PM
Let me start off by saying that there are a million of these forums on gaia, so i've heard many different opinions,
4)  Graphics
--The DS's graphics are superior to those of the N64, the images that are posted here are ENLARGED, making it pixellated.

whoa, this may be true, but the graphics aren't nearly as good as the PSPs. i don't think you can even fairly compare the two together; they're completely different. the DS is more of a casual gamers system. fun games at a lower price make it more accesible. the PSP is more geared towards hardcore types, and it's being looked at as a major system release, with tons of games planned and powerful systems specs. though really, who cares which system is better when you can have both?  :P oh yes, and to answer a previous question, the PSP indeed has wireless multiplayer.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: RandomDan on May 24, 2004, 05:27:40 PM
Both. Neither. Maybe.  Meh, the PSP only has near PS2 power because of the difference in screen size.  But lets be fair, the PS2 has an really outdated GPU to boot.

The Sony marketing boys will really make sure it wins out over the DS - whether it is better are not.  It's all about 'lifestyle' marketing.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Caliban on May 25, 2004, 01:39:17 AM
Let me start off by saying that there are a million of these forums on gaia, so i've heard many different opinions,
4)  Graphics
--The DS's graphics are superior to those of the N64, the images that are posted here are ENLARGED, making it pixellated.

whoa, this may be true, but the graphics aren't nearly as good as the PSPs. the DS is more of a casual gamers system. fun games at a lower price make it more accesible. the PSP is more geared towards hardcore types, and it's being looked at as a major system release, with tons of games planned and powerful systems specs. though really, who cares which system is better when you can have both?  :P oh yes, and to answer a previous question, the PSP indeed has wireless multiplayer.

Whoa whoa whoa,Im not bashin ya clash and I hope this dosnt sound like it I just wanna add my two cents to a few things.
The graphics on the DS are on Par with the cube (or at least 80% on par theres a few polygon breaks from the pics ive seen).I cant see how you can say that a system thats more accesible to be for a casual gamer.I would think a caual gamer prefers to buy a few games at a time while a hard core gamer would rather play a system thats got cheaper games so they get more bang for their buck and can try new things on a more frequent basis like we did back in the Commodore and NES days.I can see the PSP being geared more toward the jaded type gamers looking for the more mainstream style games and it sounds like those type of games are hwere the PSP wants to go.And I see jaded gamers picking this up more than a hardcore gamer (I prefer the term "old school gamer"to hardcore)Im not saying anyone who wants to pick up a PSP is a jaded gamer cus a old school gamer like most everyone here, would like you said, want to pick up both anyway.But this isnt possible for most people since frankly put is a hell of a lot of cash so the cheaper DS would be a better pick for the old school gamers who cant afford both.Ive also heard comments about how the PSP is better because it plays DVDS and Cds.Ok thats pretty damn cool but were talking about games here and CDs and DVDs have nothing to do with that.It seems more like a multi media system with game capabilities which isnt bad at all, but shouldnt be a point in a discusion about which systems better in the gaming department.

Randomdan I dissagree with your point simply cus Ive seen alot of uprising agenst the ideas of different systems for different lifestyles.Not only from the gamers but from the programers,producers and just about everyone in the gaming public.A good example is Vewtiful joe2.When vewtiful joe hit the scene it didnt sell well at all due to the "mature VS kiddie" crap left from N64/Playstation days.But capcom decided to screw the marketing mess and go back to our gaming roots and produce VJ2 simply for artistic and game sake.And were not just seeing it with capcom.Tons of other companies are going back and rereleasing their old games like the megaman collection,midway treasures,the zelda collectors disc,Prince of persia2 etc. and releasing sequels to games that barely sold at all because they knew they were good games and to hell with Jim in marketing thats saying its not bloody enough.I think every game companys marketing crew is responsible for messing up the way games used to be just to make a buck and everyones fighting back.Gamers are buying anything and everything and producers are making what ever game they please.Were starting to recover from the popularity contest all the marketing people started during the N64 and Sony days and I think this is a good thing.Theres a day on the horizon where a Zelda fan and a FF fan can chat about both games without a fist fight breakinbg out and people can talk about their favorite pokemon without having to keep it secret.I think I speak for all true gamers when I say Im fed up with this gamer segregation crap.Hell as far as Im concerned were already to the point where I can say I own an indigo gamecube because its the same color as the master sword and so is my GBA!

Oh and so it dosnt sound like my two replies contridict each other,A jaded gamers is someone who is a self proclaimed game eliteist and plays simply for status and ego totaly missing the point of games.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: NintendoPunk05 on May 25, 2004, 04:47:44 AM
Let me start off by saying that there are a million of these forums on gaia, so i've heard many different opinions,
4)  Graphics
--The DS's graphics are superior to those of the N64, the images that are posted here are ENLARGED, making it pixellated.

whoa, this may be true, but the graphics aren't nearly as good as the PSPs. the DS is more of a casual gamers system. fun games at a lower price make it more accesible. the PSP is more geared towards hardcore types, and it's being looked at as a major system release, with tons of games planned and powerful systems specs. though really, who cares which system is better when you can have both?  :P oh yes, and to answer a previous question, the PSP indeed has wireless multiplayer.

Whoa whoa whoa,Im not bashin ya clash and I hope this dosnt sound like it I just wanna add my two cents to a few things.
The graphics on the DS are on Par with the cube (or at least 80% on par theres a few polygon breaks from the pics ive seen).I cant see how you can say that a system thats more accesible to be for a casual gamer.I would think a caual gamer prefers to buy a few games at a time while a hard core gamer would rather play a system thats got cheaper games so they get more bang for their buck and can try new things on a more frequent basis like we did back in the Commodore and NES days.I can see the PSP being geared more toward the jaded type gamers looking for the more mainstream style games and it sounds like those type of games are hwere the PSP wants to go.And I see jaded gamers picking this up more than a hardcore gamer (I prefer the term "old school gamer"to hardcore)Im not saying anyone who wants to pick up a PSP is a jaded gamer cus a old school gamer like most everyone here, would like you said, want to pick up both anyway.But this isnt possible for most people since frankly put is a hell of a lot of cash so the cheaper DS would be a better pick for the old school gamers who cant afford both.Ive also heard comments about how the PSP is better because it plays DVDS and Cds.Ok thats pretty damn cool but were talking about games here and CDs and DVDs have nothing to do with that.It seems more like a multi media system with game capabilities which isnt bad at all, but shouldnt be a point in a discusion about which systems better in the gaming department.

Randomdan I dissagree with your point simply cus Ive seen alot of uprising agenst the ideas of different systems for different lifestyles.Not only from the gamers but from the programers,producers and just about everyone in the gaming public.A good example is Vewtiful joe2.When vewtiful joe hit the scene it didnt sell well at all due to the "mature VS kiddie" crap left from N64/Playstation days.But capcom decided to screw the marketing mess and go back to our gaming roots and produce VJ2 simply for artistic and game sake.And were not just seeing it with capcom.Tons of other companies are going back and rereleasing their old games like the megaman collection,midway treasures,the zelda collectors disc,Prince of persia2 etc. and releasing sequels to games that barely sold at all because they knew they were good games and to hell with Jim in marketing thats saying its not bloody enough.I think every game companys marketing crew is responsible for messing up the way games used to be just to make a buck and everyones fighting back.Gamers are buying anything and everything and producers are making what ever game they please.Were starting to recover from the popularity contest all the marketing people started during the N64 and Sony days and I think this is a good thing.Theres a day on the horizon where a Zelda fan and a FF fan can chat about both games without a fist fight breakinbg out and people can talk about their favorite pokemon without having to keep it secret.I think I speak for all true gamers when I say Im fed up with this gamer segregation crap.Hell as far as Im concerned were already to the point where I can say I own an indigo gamecube because its the same color as the master sword and so is my GBA!

Oh and so it dosnt sound like my two replies contridict each other,A jaded gamers is someone who is a self proclaimed game eliteist and plays simply for status and ego totaly missing the point of games.

2 things, the PSP CANNOT PLAY CD'S OR DVD'S  It is not true, just a rumor put out by SONY FANBOYS to help bring up the popularity of it!   If you DO want to listen to music and watch DVD's, then you have to A)  get past the horrible 2 hour battery life and B)  BUY SPECIAL UMD DVD's

P.S.  Viewtiful Joe kicked ass, it is doing great on the cube, but no one is buying it for the PS2 :P
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on May 25, 2004, 12:24:23 PM
i bought a music/ movie/ e-book player for the gba at the start of this year, its not bad.

it depends what screen shots you see of the DS, ive seen ones with shots of metroid that make it look shit, even without being enlarged that much and others with perfect graphics. if you've seen it being played you'll know how good it is.

i think some places are fucking up shots on purpose or at least showing crap pics,  cause some of the PSP's also ive noticed have been a bit pixelley compared to others. it depends where you look , maybe it was just a shit camera.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Caliban on May 26, 2004, 03:05:08 AM
Thanks for clearin that up UltimateSS1.I think Vewtiful joe was a GC exclusive I cant remember.

Yeah Ive noticed that too Saiyyan,I saw one shot of metroid Ds that made it look like it was done on MS paint.I noticed that with GBA gams before too i think its just an effect from putting up an image from a small screen on a big one sorta like the effect you get when you play GB games on the GB Player
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: NintendoPunk05 on May 26, 2004, 11:32:09 AM
Thanks for clearin that up UltimateSS1.I think Vewtiful joe was a GC exclusive I cant remember.

Yeah Ive noticed that too Saiyyan,I saw one shot of metroid Ds that made it look like it was done on MS paint.I noticed that with GBA gams before too i think its just an effect from putting up an image from a small screen on a big one sorta like the effect you get when you play GB games on the GB Player

yea, pixelation!
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on May 27, 2004, 07:32:53 AM
Thanks for clearin that up UltimateSS1.I think Vewtiful joe was a GC exclusive I cant remember.

Yeah Ive noticed that too Saiyyan,I saw one shot of metroid Ds that made it look like it was done on MS paint.I noticed that with GBA gams before too i think its just an effect from putting up an image from a small screen on a big one sorta like the effect you get when you play GB games on the GB Player

actually, Viewtiful Joe is being released on PS2 soon.

as for the DS, while there is a slight effect, it's actually not a whole lot different on the actual system. it will appear to be slightly smoother, due to the small screen, something like this:

(http://home.comcast.net/~clashff/metroid_hunters.jpg)

i took the original screen and made it smaller. it looks much better, true, but still not up to Gamecube quality. if it were, it wouldn't matter how big the screenshot was, it would look great at all sizes. once again, i'm not knocking the DS, just trying to prove my point about the graphics.

also, what you said about old school gamers before, i dunno. i think that if someone's really serious about games, they will pay any price to play them.



Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: NintendoPunk05 on May 27, 2004, 07:29:56 PM
Thanks for clearin that up UltimateSS1.I think Vewtiful joe was a GC exclusive I cant remember.

Yeah Ive noticed that too Saiyyan,I saw one shot of metroid Ds that made it look like it was done on MS paint.I noticed that with GBA gams before too i think its just an effect from putting up an image from a small screen on a big one sorta like the effect you get when you play GB games on the GB Player

actually, Viewtiful Joe is being released on PS2 soon.

as for the DS, while there is a slight effect, it's actually not a whole lot different on the actual system. it will appear to be slightly smoother, due to the small screen, something like this:

(http://home.comcast.net/~clashff/metroid_hunters.jpg)

i took the original screen and made it smaller. it looks much better, true, but still not up to Gamecube quality. if it were, it wouldn't matter how big the screenshot was, it would look great at all sizes. once again, i'm not knocking the DS, just trying to prove my point about the graphics.

also, what you said about old school gamers before, i dunno. i think that if someone's really serious about games, they will pay any price to play them.





GO CLASH!!!!
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: darkmonkeylord on May 30, 2004, 07:50:48 PM
I think the DS will pervial as it did with all of its handheld systems. While the P2P is coping games that have been already out so it might turn out to be anthor N-Gage
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on May 31, 2004, 04:25:06 PM
i don't think that it's possible to turn into the N-Gage, at least not when you have games like Gran Turismo 4 and Metal Gear Acid.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Judau on June 04, 2004, 03:07:54 PM
PSP all the way. I love my Sony stuff as is, and the PSP is just purdy. Besides, I HATE N64, why the hell would I want a portible version with two small screens? I'll take the one big widescreen with close to PS2 graphics, thanks.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Jedah on June 18, 2004, 11:14:29 PM
Eh... I'd like to clear up somethings first of all DS cannot do GC like graphics neither can it have AI or physics that can equal the GC. Neither is it on par with the PSP in terms of power both the PSP and the GC are a generation apart from the DS. Hence PSP will be able to make alot more games with depth because of the superior power and storage

The DS appeal however lies in the touchscreen and dual screen it has the possibility of creating some very innovative software (although most applications of the 2nd screen in E3 was unimpressive maps anyone?) like pac pix.

In terms of design PSP blows the DS out of the water luckily Nintendo says they will retouch the design so hopefully it wont look like a brick it is now.

On games and developer line up both look great PSP has an MGS, GT4, an unannounced square game(pls let it be chrono), Armored Core, Dynasty warriors, Sticky balls etc... DS has Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pac pix hence software looks good for both sides.

On price and battery issue sony will be taking a loss so its possible to see it go as low as 199 dollars which is a steal for that kind of technology. Of course DS will be cheaper I'm guessing about 150 dollars if the price is about right.

On battery like the DS appears to have an advantage with a touted 10 hours of battery life. I'd like to see some confirmation first though after its released. PSP certain to be lower ranging from as low as 3 hours with extensive use of the disc motor and CPU to ten hours. Sony still has 6 months to improve battery life before PSP releases  so they may be able to fix something since 2 is too low. (If they do then PSP is the one i'll buy no doubt about it).

They have the same Wifi capabilites so I won't touch that. However its BS that Wifi works with people from other countries Wifi only works in an area.

On what I'm leaning on now its still the PSP partly because I need an MP3 player interesed in Portable movies and like gaming so the PSP appeals to me more especially if it launches at 199 dollars.

Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on June 24, 2004, 08:51:48 AM
i find nintendos games much more appealing even if the graphics are a bit fuzzy, like animal crossing (which was never released in europe!>.<)
i think metal gear acid looks great and by far the best graphics ive ever seen on a portable, but despite all the hype and praise the metal gear series has been given im not that in to it.

ive got a palm for mp3s and stuff but nintendos design is chunky the psp looks much more slim which also makes it look kinda fragile.
im caught betwen the two, psp for graphics and design, the nintendo for great games and 2 touch screens, wah!
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Noose on July 28, 2004, 09:52:13 AM
More Than 120 Games in Development Worldwide for Nintendo's New Game Platform

July 28, 2004 - In preparation for the launch of Nintendo DSâ„¢ in North America and Japan later this year and Europe in Q1 2005, Nintendo today announces major global developments for the innovative dual-screen, wireless, hand-held video game system.

Nintendo DS, originally chosen as the code name, has been selected as the official product name. The Nintendo DS name evokes the idea of a portable system with "dual screens," providing the rationale for the final name. The hardware also has been redesigned to sport a slimmer, sharper look. The retooled Nintendo DS features a thinner, black base and an angular platinum flip-top cover. The face buttons and shoulder buttons are larger, and some have been reconfigured for optimum use. The unit includes a new storage slot for the touch screen's stylus, and the speakers now broadcast in stereo sound, with or without headphones.

"The Nintendo DS will change the future of hand-held gaming," says Satoru Iwata, president of Nintendo Co., Ltd. "Dual screens, chat functions, a touch screen, wireless capabilities, voice recognition - these abilities surpass anything attempted before, and consumers will benefit from the creativity and innovation the new features bring to the world of video games."

Software companies worldwide have more than 120 Nintendo DS games in development. Nintendo alone is developing more than 20 titles, and in excess of 100 companies have signed on to create games for the new system.

"The innovative functions make Nintendo DS a superior game device, while the chat feature and ability to detect other DS units make it a social device as well," says Reggie Fils-Aime, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales and marketing. "We've figured out the magic of what makes portable game play so attractive to consumers. We've defeated nine challengers and once again we're prepared to win."

Nintendo will announce the launch date, price and game lineup for Nintendo DS at a later date.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/elchingon2140/nintendo_ds_open.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/elchingon2140/32c25001-25c6-4332-bdf2-9b8cadac6395.jpg)

Looks pretty nice, now... Of course, I can't afford either because I'm saving for a car.....
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on July 29, 2004, 11:01:55 AM
wow that shot makes it look less likely to be involved in a robbery.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: GianaW4K on July 30, 2004, 12:16:39 AM
Damn once I spend all my money on one nice thing another nice thing comes out. Naw I was already saving up to by a DS cause just look at it...if only I could just use my emergency money but that money's for the hobo's like the one sleeping outside my house.(And that's not a joke) Yeah but I gotta have the DS I mean just look at it. Man that thing looks tight...well from what I've read at least
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: NintendoPunk05 on August 08, 2004, 09:28:29 PM
The Ds will emerge victorious

A:  for the psp how are you going to listen to the Music, i don't think anyone but sony will be releasing the PSP Music discs, and as far as DVDs go it's not gonna happen, the thing has a battery life of 2.5 Hours, i mean, you can't even watch all of LOTR with that battery life...

B:  Nintendo Is the dominant force in handhelds, i mean look at the N-Gage, all this hype built up around something that just stunk

Keep in mind the nintendo Punk's warning...
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: PrinJess on August 09, 2004, 06:59:31 AM
Nintendo's life power lasts about 10 hours: the same power usage on GBA SP.

I would get Nintendo DS because of two reasons:

1. I like Mario and the games

2. It has two screens, which can be useful for RPG's.

And furthermore, i can only pick one between PSP and the DS, so i pick DS.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on August 09, 2004, 07:33:02 AM
The Ds will emerge victorious

A:  for the psp how are you going to listen to the Music, i don't think anyone but sony will be releasing the PSP Music discs, and as far as DVDs go it's not gonna happen, the thing has a battery life of 2.5 Hours, i mean, you can't even watch all of LOTR with that battery life...

B:  Nintendo Is the dominant force in handhelds, i mean look at the N-Gage, all this hype built up around something that just stunk

Keep in mind the nintendo Punk's warning...

ok, well first of all, i doubt many people are going to listen to music or watch movies on the PSP in the first place. secondly, Nokia was not a well established company in the game business. in fact, that was their first attempt at a game system, not to mention it was a cell phone and not a real handheld. Sony's PS1 and PS2 are the most succesful game systems ever, so it's highly doubtful that their handheld is gonna suck.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Waya475 on August 09, 2004, 07:56:41 AM
I am going with the DS.  Sure the PSP has nice graphics, but it doesn't even have any games that excite me.  Also, imagine the battery life.  It will be terrible for that kind of power, and one of the key points of a good handheld is not burning up batteries.

DS has an AWESOME lineup in development according to The Magic Box, and I just can't wait.  Nintendo has always concentrated on fun rather than graphical power.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on August 09, 2004, 05:58:41 PM
clash: i dunno, nintendo had a chart at E3 saying theyd sold more stuff than sony *then again sony would say that too*
I think sony were dominating before christmas but then nintendo brought out some great games and there was a sudden boost to sales.

something like that..

one thing about sonys games, most of their trademark titles like crash bandicoot and tomb raider, suck, from what ive played of them anyway.
mario and zelda games show more promise.

but there are lots of great games that sony have made, gta and all,  so great that most of them are also out on pc, ill stick with the pc.

the graphics are undiniabley superior on the psp, crystal quality , a pretty much perfect portable ps2, 3 hours for great graphics is fair.

but....i still would cling to nintendo because generally, i find the ps2 titles have no life to them (but not as bad as the xbox) , like hi res cardboard cut outs.i dont know why, with nintendo its like theres something making you give a shit about the story/ characters. (apart from final fantasy which was unusually engrossing)

maybe its the high contrast :p..
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on August 10, 2004, 08:55:32 AM
well, Nintendo has been suffering from a certain thing recently, and that is lack of good third party games. Nintendo's first party games are almost always good, and the reason most people buy the system for (probably the reason i'll get one as well), but other then that, there aren't many games that i would want to play. though, i will say, i'm getting the PSP almost solely for a portable version of Gran Turismo 4.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Zackies on August 10, 2004, 10:55:37 AM
I can't wait to get the Nintendo DS.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Jedah on August 12, 2004, 05:59:18 PM
Well UMD is not used for music you can use a memory stick for your music needs.

All portable DVD players have 2 and 1/2 hours of batterylife and not all movies are LOTR length usually a movie on average is movie is 1 and 1/2 hours.

Lastly I'm a little sick of the PSP=Graphics and DS=Fun equation that everyone seems to be touting for the following reasons:

1. Does Graphics=Unfun gameplay? Graphics not matter in games? PSP power only used for Graphics? Has anyone played both systems to know that the DS games are more "innovative and fun" than the PSP? The answer to all of the above of course is NO. I've explained my reasons for such in my first post in this topic if you'd like me to expound some more I'll be more than happy to.

Lastly the issue of batteylife and price are my only "valid" problems about the PSP and there important no doubt I won't accept anything below 4 - 5 hours for a very high level (techwise) game. On price I won't buy anything more than 250 dollars I hear though that price will be around 200 so thats good enough for me.

Oh final saiyan Nintendo is no 1 publisher and has sold the most software out of all video game companies (when I say software I mean there own). In hardware they outsold sony for a while because of the price drop but once again is back in last place in the console wars. there still behind by about 50-60 million consolewise in hardware.

Finally can I ask you what nintendo games your talking about with a strong story? The only one game franchise that I can think of with a strong story is Metroid. Nintendo games have always been about gameplay and focused little on story. Also what PS2 games have you played? Out of all the games platforms I enjoyed the PS2 the most because of the number of variety of titles because of the sheer number of developers developing for it. If your saying all these developers have no soul than I wonder what games you've been playing... Oh and Tomb raider and Crash ARENT PS2 exclusive in fact if anything else sony's first party has improved considerably just not as high of course as nintendo
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on August 12, 2004, 08:13:55 PM
games can have awesome graphics and be fun, just generally from comparing the two handhelds opening games they appeal tome much more, GT4 and metal gear are great, but Gt games, ive played em and they've bored me.

metal gear might show more promise since it has shown in its previous titles that its always a popular game,but nothign new seems to excite me in the series anymore.

obviously the psp will have 'fun' games, but its gonna be a three hour long fun session cuase all the powers going into the graphics, not so fun having to recharge it all the time.

someone actually said to me 'you're not gonna have to charge it all the time, you're not gonna play it that much'. congrats $200 well spent there.^^

the whole DVD thing blows a bit, 'lets all watch a dvd on a screen about the size of my hand' personally i think DVDs should be on big screen with big sound, not wasted on a handheld.

fair enough , you're not gonna be carrying a plasma and a surround system with you, but DVDs are best at full quality and your tv wont have a tendency to run out of batteries at the climax of some movies.
great if your bored, but the chance of your batteries running out and wasting battery life on dvds instead of games blows a bit, buy a portable dvd player instead its cheaper..

onthe strong story thing, such as zelda, eternal darkness, starfox was pretty engrossing too.
i havent actual played metroid yet, must pick up a copy. ^^

yeah but even in the games that lack story , i still find them hard to 'put down' like super monkey ball or something, only a bit of story but stupidly great fun. only nintendo could put a monkey in a ball and sell a game about it. ;D

PS2 has oodles of titles ill definitley give you that, which was why i converted to playstation after my n64 got stolen , lots of cheap titles, which , werent bad.
im not gonna go through al the ps/ps2 games ive played but take my word for it , ive played a lot.

metal gear, final fantasy, great games thast all i can think of, both are out on the cube now which is good.
but i cant even think what other games on it ive thoroughly enjoyed,
...devil may cry was a bit of fun............in fact the only other games i can think of that i liked are out on pc also, the console i prefer.

but overall i prefer nintedos exclusive titles to the ps2's

all games have a bit of soul, but nintendo seems to have ownage when it comes to that. I dont know there's just a bland feeling with a lot of ps2 titles.

another reason i like nintendo games is they cant compare to the range of sony, but ive never played a bad nintendo game, cept that mickey mouse one...

the DS and PSP arent out here till march , ill decide then when it try it hands on..
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Jedah on August 12, 2004, 08:40:41 PM
Just a couple of things

Portable DVD players are NOT cheap and they have the same battery limitation as the PSP. UMD with 1.8 gig of space and compressing technology will be close to DVD but yes granted DVD is superior. Plus if you look at the specs  of the PSP in the sound department it is quite robust. Its the appeal of having multifunctionality that appeals to me.

On batterylife I hope Sony manages to fix it if they do I'm sold on the PSP if not well DS it is. I'll just have to see how it does in Japan to make a descion on battery life

Yeah Nintendo games are damn fun no doubt about that but ususally story isn't what there known for. Zelda had an alright story nothing spectacular though. ED wasn't first party but did have a great story, and Starfox never played the reviews didn't like it plus rare made it. Not having a strong story takes nothing away from Nintendo games because the gameplay is addicting thats my opinion on their games.

I'm not going to argue about your preference of games its yours to have and thats what you like so no beef there.

Oh and DS comes out earlier than the PSP here I think it would be out by November.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on August 12, 2004, 08:52:57 PM
man europe gets a raw deal, not even the DS till march ;_;

well since the portable dvd players are specifically for dvds, they should last a movie, but it just seems a bit of a waste, portable gaming time lost with power eating dvds, but a handy feature none the less.

ive heard rumours of a battery pack that strapped around your arm, found it when i came across a DS forum, so naturally it was followed by comments about robocop on halloween and the smell of burning meat in the air. ^^;

im hoping the DS manages to uncover some hidden potential for graphics. Zelda seemed better on the 64 cause it was the first time id seen 3d, and the games just boggled my brain as it did with others.

meh ,as i said ill wait till i play em, its the only way ..
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: NintendoPunk05 on August 13, 2004, 01:18:50 PM
The ds will have a graphic quality superior to that of the n64 not much, but it is better quality then the 64, where as the psp has the 128 bit quality, the battery life is the downfall to the psp tho, and like the person said, why would you spend 200 on a handheld that you aren't going to play for 2.5 hours straight, i know i play my gba for like 6 hours sometimes, and i got mad cuz i had to spend all this money on batteries, so i finally bought a gba sp, and i drained the battery, but i put it on the charger, and go to bed, wake up 4 hours later and it's fully charged, and if that's what the ds will do then it's great, also alot of the developers have been wanting to do stuff with this type of dual screen technology forever, which give a HUGE boost in products for the DS.  And i'm done rambling now...
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on August 13, 2004, 03:10:26 PM
what about rechargable batteries?  ???

its amazing how many people dont use them, i couldn't live without them.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on August 13, 2004, 03:20:22 PM
yes, rechargable batteries are indeed awesome. much better value for the money.

ok, i think people seem to have some misconceptions about the PSP's battery life. for games, it's about 10 hours, which i believe is fine. it will actually be longer with the battery pack included, probably by a generous amount, i'd say about 15 hours or more. but really, are you going to play a game for more than 10 hours straight on a handheld? i suppose if you're going on a trip then maybe you'd need more, since you can't exactly recharge in the car, but that's perhaps the one instance i can think of. why do you need more battery life when you won't even be using it? just recharge it when you're not playing.

as for the battery life during movies, why should anyone care? are you going to watch movies on the PSP? cause i'm sure not going to.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on August 13, 2004, 05:01:24 PM
i think after all this i might just go out and buy a new ipaq for the sake of it.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: PrinJess on August 13, 2004, 05:10:18 PM
batteries and lithium batteries has both its advantages and disadvantages.

Pros on batteries:

Plentiful everywhere
Long-lasting

Cons:
hassle to put in
They're cheap batteries out there, which only last up to 5 hours

Pros on lithium batteries:
Recharges
If plugged in, energy is not lost

Cons:
Some lithium batteries last 7-10 years.

I say a rechargable battery is the way to go.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on August 13, 2004, 05:15:31 PM
quote from PrinJess
"Cons:
Some lithium batteries last 7-10 years."

if thats the cons im lithium all the way
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: PrinJess on August 13, 2004, 05:18:46 PM
The other con i forgot to mention is to replace a lithium. It's so expensive, i can't place a price.

When i first bought my GBA SP, the EB clerk worker that the lithium lasts up to 7 years minimum. So, i should have my game boy working until i turn 22.
Title: Re:So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on August 14, 2004, 07:34:08 AM
whoa, rechargable batteries and Lithium Ions aren't necessarily the same thing, that is to say, not all rechargable batteries are Lithiums. i bought some rechargables at the store for about $20, they come with a charger, and they last for 1000 charges. tell me that's not value. i'm not saying Lithium batteries aren't good, because they are, but they are very expensive to replace, and also, if you're running low on power, you can't just pop in a fresh set of batteries, you have to charge them up.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on November 24, 2004, 12:47:54 PM
not worth making a new topic for..

Ds being released a few days ago, anyone  got it yet?
im trying to get me one from the US but teh bastards wont ship outside the US, and by bastards i mean amazon, bestbuy, ebgames, blah...

luckily i have a friend who is on holiday in N.Y  ;D

if that fails, ill look into couriers (last resort)

release games arent anything to go wild about, but in januar- march , nintendos releasing a line up of metroid hunters, warioware, that pacman thing, yoshi touch and go i think and hopefully animal crossing (that game looks fucking -awesome-!!)

im happy...
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Mujakisan1 on November 26, 2004, 09:24:42 PM
I'm PSP all the way.  ;D  I've actually played Metroid on the DS and the only problem i had with it was a subject no one has brought up, which is the controls.  I hated it.  Without the anolog stick it was really difficult to aim and move around.  You have to use the A,B,X,Y buttons to move , then the d-pad to look around.  Aiming was a pain in the ass.  In a FPS the controls should be the least of your worries when facing other people.  Then the line up of the games really wasn't much to speak of besides the Mario 64x4 game.  I also beleive that that battery life shouldn't be an issue if your having fun.  The battery power really depends on the Umd, because of the information transfer.  So running a movie would cause the battery to run about 2+ hours if its reading the disk at full bore.  While games that might not need to access the disk as much will last a lot longer.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: clash on November 27, 2004, 07:15:50 AM
actually, the control issues with Metroid Hunters have not only been brought up many times before, but they are a primary concern for that game and others as well, most notably Super Mario 64 DS, as the lack of an analog stick really brings the game down quite a bit. my opinions on the systems have changed a bit; i'm willing to give each one a chance before dismissing it.

i'm gonna wait a little while to see if any better games come out for both systems in the future before i buy either of them, and i might also wait for a price drop. this is true especially for the PSP, though not as much the price issue as the games, since Sony said that the PSP would be $200 or less. the only really good game i see on the PSP is Gran Turismo 4 Mobile, and i don't really want to buy a system just so i can play a game that i'll already have on PS2. Metal Gear Acid doesn't look too great, and everything else is really just bleh.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Seirie on December 02, 2004, 10:31:34 PM
Time for everybody elses opinion to stop mattering, because I will now give mine.

Basically, PSP, sucks really bad.

I got my DS the very instant it was released and I have not been able to put it down since. In fact, Im typing this with my stylus right now.

These are the games I own:

Metriod Demo - Instant carpal tunnel syndrom (due to control), but still uniquely fun.

Feel The Magic - Lets face it, SEGA sucks at making games, and feel the magic is no acception. But, with the DS's abilities, somehow, this game manages to be fun as all hell. I could play these touch screen minigames all day.

Mario 64 DS - Mario 64, for the N64 is by far one of the best games ever, period. Mario 64, for DS, is just better, in every possible way.

When it boils down, PSP is just a portable, run out of energy in 3 hours, PS2.

BORING

DS is an incredibly well produced piece of hardware with unique features that just blow PSP out of the friggin water. Non-stop fun, if you will.

FUN AS HELL


Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Final Saiyyan on December 03, 2004, 09:59:54 AM
well after much consideration, i decided to order my DS off goldenshop  ;D

no, seriously, the psp has loads going for it, i really done my homework before making such a purchase... but the DS seemed to really provide what i wanted.

the PSP has awesome graphics almost PS2 quality on a handheld is quite an achievement, hats off to sony, the DS was owned.

(though i have seem some recent movies, which display quite awesome graphics, take a look at this interesting release..)

 http://media.ds.ign.com/media/695/695663/vids_1.html

seriously check it out


ive seen some PSP vids, the graphics are great , but some seem like the companys half assed it a bit, and i could really imagine it being on the DS, in fact i had to re-check what category i was in.


Despite the superior graphics on the PSP, the releases, kinda sucked, nothing really excited me about them , whereas when i was reading about something like mario DS which didnt have half the polygons , i couldn't wait to order.

its a close one for me but the DS, as i said, provided what i wanted in a handheld.

the DS features attract me alot more, i want a handheld gaming device therefore i want some new features relevant to gameplay, microphone and touchscreen have real potential.

PSP=3D

DS=4D

Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Dr. Jinxed on December 28, 2004, 10:39:42 AM
I'm totally digging the psp, not just for the high tech games its gonna have, but for the piracy possibilities. It's showing off Sony's new gaming plan; they arent goign to be makign pure game consoles and handhelds,  but multimedia devices. To like, watch a movie, listen to music, play a video game, check your stocks, burn a dvd, make toast; it's gonna do it all!  ;D
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Iriyamiyu on May 01, 2008, 06:58:34 PM
Of course PSP >__<
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 02, 2008, 09:59:36 AM
PFFFFFT.
NDS FTW
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Yukio on June 02, 2008, 01:39:47 PM
Talk about reviving old threads...but I would choose neither. PC's and Playstations are so much better. ^_^
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 02, 2008, 05:04:01 PM
its not that old. its been a month since the last post was in it.
and although PC's and playstations are alright.
they arent exactly hand held or portable.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Judau on June 06, 2008, 07:58:40 AM
its not that old. its been a month since the last post was in it.
and although PC's and playstations are alright.
they arent exactly hand held or portable.

Yes, but look at the original date of the thread... you weren't the one to bring it back from the dead, though. ^^;;
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 06, 2008, 09:57:54 AM
maybe if there were more threads to post in we wouldnt have that problem =[
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Yukio on June 07, 2008, 01:11:39 AM
Well, there is always the idea of creating even more threads?

Who says Playstations are not portable...all you need in the right equipment, a mini-generator and some type of screen and you are set. Just toss them all in a large backpack or something. And PC's are portable, they are called laptops though I will agree that they are not AS portable as the others mentioned.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 07, 2008, 10:38:41 PM
you're a dumb bitch.

Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Yukio on June 09, 2008, 04:03:14 PM
If you are going to insult someone you should at least give a reason.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Judau on June 10, 2008, 09:07:00 AM
Well, there is always the idea of creating even more threads?

Who says Playstations are not portable...all you need in the right equipment, a mini-generator and some type of screen and you are set. Just toss them all in a large backpack or something. And PC's are portable, they are called laptops though I will agree that they are not AS portable as the others mentioned.

The thread was only about the DS and PSP anyway... and while laptops are portable, they obviously are not like a DS or PSP... plus, most people don't game on small laptops that are actually portable anyway... that's what home PCs are for.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 15, 2008, 09:27:16 AM
If you are going to insult someone you should at least give a reason.

sorry. i didnt think your post was worth any other response.
i really did try to give you a reason too.
and i actually did. but then i deleted it cus i got irritated.
cus i really didnt understand why you thought getting a mini generator "and some sort of screen" would make it portable...

The thread was only about the DS and PSP anyway... and while laptops are portable, they obviously are not like a DS or PSP... plus, most people don't game on small laptops that are actually portable anyway... that's what home PCs are for.

and i guess theres your reason.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Yukio on June 15, 2008, 04:44:28 PM
Well, you did comment that Playstations and PC's are not portable so that was reason enough for my comment. Of course, the thought about the mini-generator and screen was not supposed to be as serious as you are taking it. Judau, quite a few people do use laptops to actually play games just not games that have demanding requirements.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 17, 2008, 01:27:02 AM
are the type of games you're talking about, yahoo games?
cus i wouldnt really consider those in the same league as ds or psp games.

oh. and starcraft with a trackpad is hell.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: Yukio on June 19, 2008, 08:32:11 PM
No, I am talking about games like Neverwinter Nights 2, Guild Wars, Fable and quite a few other games. You can play games like that quite easily even on a cheap laptop with a decent graphic card.
Title: Re: So.. DS or PSP?
Post by: jenniferLOVESyou on June 19, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
well i called you a dumb bitch cus you said playstations are portable.

and once again. its DS or PSP.